US UFO Disclosure Day

Who knows what we are really dealing with. A little humility and humbleness would be nice.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/...nd-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/


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alarmguy said:
This is my view, the primitive beings that we are, cannot imagine what is possible.
The universe so extensive, the light we see from some stars took up to billions of years to reach us. Those suns "stars" might not even exist anymore but we wouldn't know for millions or billions of years as the light is still traveling towards us.

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Yep. Welcome to astrophysics.

The sun could’ve blown up about nine minutes ago, and we’ll just find out here in a couple of seconds.

The very fact that there is a speed of light, that it is knowable, and that it bounds speed in normal space, is a big part of the discussion about alien life.

I dislike the analogy between the speed of sound and the speed of light. The two “barriers” are fundamentally different.

We broke the sound barrier. But we already knew that it could be broken. A 50 caliber rifle bullet, for example, went well beyond the speed of sound, and runs closer to Mach 3. So, Bell, when they designed the X-1, basically shaped it like a 50 caliber rifle bullet.

However, the speed of light is absolute because, well, Einstein was right. As you get to relativistic velocities, the mass of an object increases. And it simply increases to an infinite number at the actual speed of light, so even if we were to figure out a propulsion system they were able to push a spaceship to somewhere near that speed, it still couldn’t break the “barrier”.

And, because Newton was right, the propulsion is a big part of the problem with interstellar travel. In order to get a ship to 50% of velocity of light, you have to apply Newton‘s third law to the propellant, whatever that is. If the propellant goes out the back of the ship at the speed of light, then 50% of the mass of the ship has to be propellant in order to get the ship to 50% the speed of light.

However, you’re gonna need to slow down as you approach your destination. So, in order to get to 50% the speed of light, assuming that we have this incredible engine you’ll need 50% of the mass to be propellant, and then 50% of the remaining mass has to be propellant in order to bring the ship to a stop at our destination, so, 75% of the mass for a one-way trip.

But let’s talk about this incredible engine for a bit.

We need to talk about specific impulse. It’s basically a measure of how efficient the rocket is at turning mass into thrust, it has to do with the momentum. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse

Right now, chemical rockets achieve a specific impulse of about 300. The Raptor on the Space-X Starship are up around 340. Some, like the J2 on the Saturn V, get close to 420 in a vacuum. Pretty good. Enough to get us to the Moon.

But to get to that incredible engine - the one that emits propellant at the speed of light - we need to be up around 30,000,000 for specific impulse. That’s a very, very long way from where we are, and even if we improve engine efficiency by a factor of 100,000, we still only get one way to another star with 75% fuel.

“We can bend space itself” via Alcubierre - well, perhaps, but you would have to convert nearly as much of the ship’s mass into pure energy to get there.

Interstellar travel is a physics problem, not an engineering one.
 
They could be coming from a base in our solar system or even from Earth, perhaps deep in the ocean (we've mapped 10% of ocean).

They could have the ability to teleport or create wormholes or some other FTL solution

They could be "interdimensional"? Is that really a thing or sci-fi?

"So first, we need to understand that our science if far from complete. We believe that space time is fundamental, but it is still a theory that's not been fully understood or proven (A lay person believes space time is fundamental. Physicists do not. They literally just gave the ‘22 Nobel to experimentalists who proved the violation of Bell inequalities.). Then you look at quantum physics and realize there's a lot about our reality that really doesn't make sense at all when observing at the atomic level. So first thing you should do when approaching this is look at it from the perspective that we don't know everything. According to most scientists, only about 5% of reality is understood and even that's a guess.

So in order to understand the UFO phenomenon, you really have no choice but to speculate because the answers aren't yet in science. That's where you turn to quantum physics for answers and you speculate. David Grusch used the term "inter-dimensional" and they "pop into our existence" This would indicate that if a civilization found out how to travel space, they could have done so by leaving one dimension and then traveling outside of space and time, where perhaps time doesn't even exist, and then popping up on the other side (into our reality). They could be utilizing wormholes as well."


“We can’t figure it out, so it’s obviously not possible”. - Humans


https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/popular-information/
 
Interestingly, those who actually study physics (I still have a few friends in that category) don’t give much credence to any of those things, like “inter dimensional travel”.

Those who do use those concepts have fake degrees, or write Science Fiction.

It’s not about humility, it is about understanding the real world well enough to know when you are being fed a pile of hogwash. If you have a degree in physics, you can see right through the hogwash.
 
On page 6 there is a post with very poor quality videos of UFOs and an alien. I have a video of a giant tarantula terrorizing remote areas of the Mojave Desert. (The video claims to be in Arizona, but it is easy to recognize locations in California) Fortunately, Clint Eastwood, while an Air Force pilot, led a squadron that destroyed the monster. Well, it looks real to me.

My point being, if someone is going to fake these videos, couldn't do it with a little bit better quality?
 
He doesn't seem to care if you believe him. He doesn't seem to want attention. Crazy? maybe.

 
Astro14 said:
Interestingly, those who actually study physics (I still have a few friends in that category) don’t give much credence to any of those things, like “inter dimensional travel”.

Those who do use those concepts have fake degrees, or write Science Fiction.

It’s not about humility, it is about understanding the real world well enough to know when you are being fed a pile of hogwash. If you have a degree in physics, you can see right through the hogwash.
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Physics as we understand it now, yes. No disagreement. It does seem impossible, and maybe it is.
 
It's an entertaining topic if nothing else.

She's dead. Her text messages tell a story of panic that she was being watched. The Airforce General too was also part of a similar program.

"Here she is giving a lecture...clearly not a manic, mentally unstable drunk person.

It seems a lot of people want to paint her as a crazy drunk person and mentally unstable kook. You would think those people would kind of like that she has claimed the "exact opposite of what Bob Lazar claimed" is the truth. Right? I mean, aren't those the same people who hate on Bob Lazar all the time?

Pretty much everyone has drank alcohol after or during a stressful period, right? And we all know that alcohol makes you even freer and more emotional. It doesn't make you mentally ill to be drunk. She was quite coherent in that lengthy interview, after all. And the idea that her texts demonstrate mentally instability is also comical given we know such covert weaponry exists and is used, especially on anyone like her."



 
demarpaint said:
What they released was disappointing to me, very disappointing. Having said that, to think we are the only form of intelligent life in existence is a stretch. JMO
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I fully believe that life exists elsewhere in the universe.

The odds are simply too high for that not to be the case.

The issue, however, is one of travel. Of getting between here and there.

We don’t even have the ability to send a signal from here to another star, sending a spacecraft is not something we can consider.

Look at it this way. An aircraft travels about 100 times faster than a human being on foot.

So, air, travel, upped our speed by a factor of 100.

We need to up our speed by 10,000,000 over air travel to consider interstellar travel.

And the ship would be the size of a cruise ship, and it would take pretty much the entire planet’s gross domestic product
 
demarpaint said:
What they released was disappointing to me, very disappointing. Having said that, to think we are the only form of intelligent life in existence is a stretch. JMO
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We know nothing close to us can support life, therefore whether there are intelligent lifeforms somewhere in the universe or not is truly irrelevant. Beyond statistical probability and some highly questionable guesses of which systems can support life, we cannot prove life and more so, intelligent life exists besides Earth, nor can this other intelligent life travel to or contact us.
It's like pontificating whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound when no one is there to hear it. We can only speculate.
 
I have personally seen enough engineering screw up that I know most of my visual data at work that looks like a UFO is my own screw up. I have also seen some funny stuff sent to the sky in the past next to LLNL when I worked near by.

I am curious why most of the UFO sighting is from the US instead of rundown 3rd world country or in the middle of the ocean by pilots or sailors all over the world.
 
PandaBear said:
I have personally seen enough engineering screw up that I know most of my visual data at work that looks like a UFO is my own screw up. I have also seen some funny stuff sent to the sky in the past next to LLNL when I worked near by.

I am curious why most of the UFO sighting is from the US instead of rundown 3rd world country or in the middle of the ocean by pilots or sailors all over the world.
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If Hollywood taught me anything, it's that aliens always land/crash in the USA :ROFLMAO:
 
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Astro14 said:
I fully believe that life exists elsewhere in the universe.

The odds are simply too high for that not to be the case.

The issue, however, is one of travel. Of getting between here and there.

We don’t even have the ability to send a signal from here to another star, sending a spacecraft is not something we can consider.

Look at it this way. An aircraft travels about 100 times faster than a human being on foot.

So, air, travel, upped our speed by a factor of 100.

We need to up our speed by 10,000,000 over air travel to consider interstellar travel.

And the ship would be the size of a cruise ship, and it would take pretty much the entire planet’s gross domestic product
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KrisZ said:
We know nothing close to us can support life, therefore whether there are intelligent lifeforms somewhere in the universe or not is truly irrelevant. Beyond statistical probability and some highly questionable guesses of which systems can support life, we cannot prove life and more so, intelligent life exists besides Earth, nor can this other intelligent life travel to or contact us.
It's like pontificating whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound when no one is there to hear it. We can only speculate.
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Like I said, JMO. I haven't heard any satisfactory explanation from anyone ever of how we got here. Leaving God and religion out I agree with both of you. Ponder this, in some distant place there could be intelligent life forms with the same exact travel problems we have. They can't get to us, we can't get to them, they might even have had similar discussions.
 
demarpaint said:
Like I said, JMO. I haven't heard any satisfactory explanation from anyone ever of how we got here. Leaving God and religion out I agree with both of you. Ponder this, in some distant place there could be intelligent life forms with the same exact travel problems we have. They can't get to us, we can't get to them, they might even have had similar discussions.
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I totally get it and that's the whole point. In the end it doesn't matter what we choose to believe because it's all in the realm of philosophy, no different than discussing religion IMO. And from what I've seen over the years of discussions and observations, the believers in aliens behave much in the same fashion as religious people, which is quite ironic IMO.
 
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