US UFO Disclosure Day

MolaKule said:
I guess there is a lot of absurdity going around if you believe ET"s are interacting with our world.
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I guess billions of people on Earth then are absurd for believing in god or having faith in a belief. See what you just did there?

Also, I said "higher intelligence", not ETs.

There is nothing absurd about thinking we are not at the top of the intelligence ladder.


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Let's look at this logically.

Billions of people on this planet believe in some type of god or religion based on traditional texts or values. That is accepted and is OK.

Some people today believe that a higher life form or intelligence further evolved "could be" interacting with our world based on "current" (as opposed to old texts containing far more absurd stories) testimonials from many credible sources.

What's the issue?
 
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UFO's are not just linked to the US. Myth.


  • Highest Reported Areas: Outside the U.S., countries with high numbers of sightings include the United Kingdom, Canada, Brazil, and nations in Europe.
  • Famous International Cases:Several notable, long-unexplained incidents occurred outside the U.S., such as the Rendlesham Forest incident in the UK (1956/1980), the Belgian UFO wave (1989-1991), and the Ariel School sighting in Zimbabwe (1994).
    • Government Records: Canada maintains extensive records similar to the U.S.. France has a dedicated unit (GEIPAN) within its space agency to investigate sightings, with about 400 cases from the 1970s onwards remaining unexplained.
    • Regional Trends: Sightings have been reported during conflict zones in Algeria and over major cities in South America.
    • Security Concerns: Japan has increased its monitoring of UAP due to suspected surveillance drones or balloons in their airspace
 
buster said:
Let's look at this logically.

Billions of people on this planet believe in some type of god or religion based on traditional texts or values. That is accepted and is OK.

Some people today believe that a higher life form or intelligence further evolved "could be" interacting with our world based on "current" (as opposed to old texts containing far more absurd stories) testimonials from many credible sources.

What's the issue?
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If someone says they actually see God, well - don't some people question that? Even most people who believe?

Contrarily we are not talking about Gods, imagined or real. Some people claim UFOs are real with no, or just scant hearsay like evidence.

Some posters here use a word, "conflating" the two. I say yes, these are two very separate ideas, things.
 
wavinwayne said:
Since I believe interstellar travel is impossible due to the vast distances involved, I have to believe that all UAP have Earth-based explanations. But then again, maybe I'm wrong.
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Probably need to qualify that since rocks make the trip. The issue is that it can't be done in anything approaching a normal human lifespan. To that I say: send the robots. Which raises the question...why don't we see signs that anyone else has sent the robots. And then you have the Fermi Paradox.

Personally, I think we'll be able to do it at some point, but it will take some combination of fusion or antimatter propulsion and hibernation. Which raises the question of why anyone would bother to make that trip. Earth is as good as it gets in this solar system. Everything outside our atmosphere wants to kill you. Hell, plenty of things on inside our atmosphere want to kill us, but can't (at least, according to that nature documentary I was watching the other day).

Maybe I read too much science fiction but I think we have a long way to go as far as technological and ethical advancement. Hopefully AI can expedite the process and we can stop fighting over dried up plots of land. Every human that's ever lived or died has done so on a blue marble that is a spec that exists in just one solar system out of hundreds of millions in the Milky Way, in a universe with trillions of galaxies.

What is wrong with us?
 
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KrisZ said:
We know nothing close to us can support life, therefore whether there are intelligent lifeforms somewhere in the universe or not is truly irrelevant. Beyond statistical probability and some highly questionable guesses of which systems can support life, we cannot prove life and more so, intelligent life exists besides Earth, nor can this other intelligent life travel to or contact us.
It's like pontificating whether a tree falling in the forest makes a sound when no one is there to hear it. We can only speculate.
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People who tend to believe in the existence of life in the universe other than on Earth, put their faith in the Drake equation which is a purely hypothetical, unproven construct.

Below is an explanation of the equation and its terms or as I like to call them, the seven guesses.

None of the terms in the equation have any known or supportable data. Therefore, any probability of life other than on Earth is totally unknown.

The equation is:

N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L

where:

  • N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy capable of communicating with Earth
  • R* is the average number of new stars formed per year in our galaxy
  • fp is the fraction of those stars that have planetary systems
  • ne is the average number of planets per star capable of supporting life
  • fl is the fraction of these planets that actually develop life
  • fi is the fraction of theses planets that develop intelligent life
  • fc is the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases signals of their existence into space
  • L is the length of time these civilizations communicate

History​

Frank Drake first introduced the equation in 1961 during the first scientific meeting on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), held at the Green Bank Observatory in West Virginia. Drake’s primary goal condensing the considerations that scientists confront when searching for extraterrestrial life. The purpose of the equation was not calculating a precise value, but promoting a productive discourse on the subject.

These are the original numbers from Drake’s presentation:

  • R* = 10
  • fp = 0.5
  • ne = 2.0
  • fl = 1.0
  • fi = 0.01
  • fc = 0.01
  • L = 10000
Drake’s original estimate was optimistic, suggesting that there between 10 and 10,000 advanced civilizations in the Milky Way. The variables drew from scientific knowledge at the time and Drake’s own assumptions. The equation was a starting point for a conversation.?

https://sciencenotes.org/drake-equation-odds-of-finding-extraterrestrials/
 
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distances are so insanely vast , it is beyond comprehension. even the nearest stars of the local group are so far away. makes me depressed to think i will never see the bright light of Spica, i will never travel to the Andromeda Galaxy, heck, i will never see the Moons of Saturn, neither the plains of Mars. we are stuck here sadly. they are worlds beyond our reach. one day maybe a base on the Moon and an outpost on Mars. but i will not be there to see it. with 7% of the 400 Billions of Stars of the Milky Way being G type like our sun, chances are high. even better with K type Stars forming roughly 12% to 13% of the 400 Billions Stars of the Milky Way. the numbers are there, yet i have no idea if there is life anywhere but here. G Type Stars have the best chances for life. that is understood. we are the living proof of this. there is many of these Stars near us. some very close like Alpha Centauri A. at 4.4 Light Years. while these Stars are near us on the Cosmological scale, they are very far away on the Human Scale. beyond our reach.

https://chview.nova.org/solcom/stars3/100-gs.htm
 
"I'm smart enough to know that I'm dumb" - Richard Feynman.

The skeptics/physicists are technically correct. Distances are just too far. I'm aware of that. I'm still of the mindset thought that there is something more to this but until then.....
 
jghall00 said:
Probably need to qualify that since rocks make the trip...
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Travel by humans between stars is what I was shooting for. The technical obstacles that would have to be overcome are, for all intents and purposes, impossible in my mouth breathing, knuckle dragging opinion. Perhaps humans in the very distant future will overcome these obstacles, if we don't extinct ourselves first.
 
I think there is some relation to antigravity tech, fusion and some of these missing scientists. I don't know, there is too much strangeness over the years coming from people of very sound mind and no sign of mental illness. It's not like we're dealing with some religious whacko cult. Who knows....
 
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