US Postal Service suspending pension contributions

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The congress keeps the postal service in an impossible situation. They try to make it thing work like a business. The postal service should be a government service with all of the jobs civil service. They should not be under a union. Their budget should be decided and set like each federal service.
 
The congress keeps the postal service in an impossible situation. They try to make to thing work like a business. The postal service should be a government service with all of the jobs civil service. They should not be under a union. Their budget should be decided and set like each federal service.
Federal employees are unionized. This is an example of why public pensions are inherently more sustainable than private pensions. Companies must satisfy consumer demand to remain in business and generate revenue to contribute to pensions. Public pensions via threats of force extort contributions via taxation.
 
The congress keeps the postal service in an impossible situation. They try to make to thing work like a business. The postal service should be a government service with all of the jobs civil service. They should not be under a union. Their budget should be decided and set like each federal service.

Why shouldn't they be in a union? I feel there is a widespread misconception, especially among those outside the federal government, regarding the scope of federal unions, which varies significantly by agency and position.
 
The congress keeps the postal service in an impossible situation. They try to make to thing work like a business. The postal service should be a government service with all of the jobs civil service. They should not be under a union. Their budget should be decided and set like each federal service.
Why do we even need a post office? Maybe we should just disband it. I can’t remember the last time I got anything important in the mail. Decades ago maybe.
 
Many good reasons of which none can be discussed here.
Once again, many individuals lack accurate information regarding the functioning of federal unions (not just pertaining to the postal service). Are you a federal employee? Are you aware of the specific limitations imposed on these unions compared to private sector unions (can’t strike, some cannot bargain for wages etc.)? Alternatively, do you merely rely on hearsay and personal anecdotes to form your understanding? This does not have to be political, nor do I want it to be.
 
Once again, many individuals lack accurate information regarding the functioning of federal unions (not just pertaining to the postal service). Are you a federal employee? Are you aware of the specific limitations imposed on these unions compared to private sector unions (can’t strike, some cannot bargain for wages etc.)? Alternatively, do you merely rely on hearsay and personal anecdotes to form your understanding? This does not have to be political, nor do I want it to be.
Exactly. Our city fire department from which I retired ten years ago is a good example of this. We unionized, IAFF local 289 along with the police joining the FOP and the rest of the city worked joined asfme decades ago after a lot of unrest and inefficiencies related to “changing of the guard” so to speak. Once a new mayor was elected, whether the party in power changed or not, would often fire the “at will” employees to fill them with the new mayor’s political backers. When the new police department would arrest someone the old police department would let them out, depending on the charges. Similar things happened with the fire department where actual certifications for training are required at a national level and takes three years to complete. Total chaos was the order when this happened.
A union contract is a work rules agreement btwn the city/company and the workers. If there is verbiage “within the four corners” of the document that is unfair or doesn’t seem so then it’s the fault of both parties.
Does the contract sometimes protect bad actors, on both sides? Yes it can, but if it’s very out of line it’s likely to be addressed in the next contract.
I was Union vice president of our local for eight years and had to defend grievances I personally didn’t agree with and I’ve also seen managers do things that would blow my mind. I was in the mayors office one day to let her know that her actions would be obviously be overturned and gave her state law that backed up what I was saying. She shrugged her shoulders and said yeah I know I’ll lose but at least the firefighter “would be inconvenienced by fighting to get his job back”
Well he got his job back with back pay and compensatory damages from the court. What was accomplished? A waste of time and taxpayers money just so she could make her stupid point.
And no we couldn’t strike and the contract outlined who was responsible to do what, when and where in most all aspects of the day to day operations of the fire department.
And our local also helped to adopt state law, and taxing authority that allowed the city to restructure the pension payments the city had fallen behind on and it strengthened the city’s finances and restored the pension fund to make the actuaries happy.
When neither side wants to burn down the house so to speak, things can get worked out.
 
Once again, many individuals lack accurate information regarding the functioning of federal unions (not just pertaining to the postal service). Are you a federal employee? Are you aware of the specific limitations imposed on these unions compared to private sector unions (can’t strike, some cannot bargain for wages etc.)? Alternatively, do you merely rely on hearsay and personal anecdotes to form your understanding? This does not have to be political, nor do I want it to be.
So if someone disagrees with you they are unaware or relying on heresay, lack information or rely on personal anecdotes? Accept the fact that people have opinion that may be different from yours and you may not be correct. I will leave it at that.
 
Hundreds of moons ago I applied to become a USPS employee. The shot me down for reaons never explained so I joined the US military. I must have been struck by the lighting of undeserved luck.


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So if someone disagrees with you they are unaware or relying on heresay, lack information or rely on personal anecdotes? Accept the fact that people have opinion that may be different from yours and you may not be correct. I will leave it at that.
You initially just did the exact thing you're accusing me of — dismissing my pro-union take without actually engaging with any points, and then acting all high and mighty with “people have opinions….” in the next post. Got it.

Recently, I engaged in a similar discussion with my father, who shares a (likely) comparable perspective with yours regarding federal employee unions. He’s an intelligent man, but he was taken aback when I told him about the complexities of federal unions. He also concurred that the average person likely lacks a comprehensive understanding of the functioning of federal unions in contrast to private sector unions despite our differing view points (regarding unions - not politics).

I will simply leave this here, but I am confident that you will not take the time to read it.

Private-sector unions (covering ~6-7% of private workers) bargain with profit-driven companies and have broader powers:
  • Bargaining scope: They negotiate wages, hours, benefits, and most working conditions. Agreements directly affect company profits and can include strikes as leverage.
  • Strike rights: Employees generally have the right to strike (with some limits, like no permanent replacement in certain cases).
  • Oversight: Enforced by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB); employers face market pressures (e.g., bankruptcy risk if demands are excessive).
Federal unions (covering a much higher percentage of eligible federal workers, around 30-40% in some agencies) are more restricted due to the public nature of government service:
  • Bargaining scope: They cannot negotiate pay, benefits, or most economic terms (these are set by Congress via the General Schedule, locality pay, or statutes like the Federal Employees Health Benefits program). They bargain primarily over "conditions of employment" such as work schedules, telework, safety protocols, performance standards, leave policies, and grievance procedures. Management retains broad "management rights" (e.g., hiring/firing decisions, mission assignments, internal security) under 5 U.S.C. § 7106 (some title 38 differences); many proposals are non-negotiable or limited to "impact and implementation."
  • Strike rights: Illegal for federal employees; they cannot strike under any circumstances.
  • Oversight and structure: Enforced by the FLRA (not NLRB). Unions have a duty of fair representation for all employees in the bargaining unit (members and non-members alike). Dues are voluntary—no mandatory fees or "fair share" payments are required.
  • Employer dynamic: They bargain with taxpayer-funded agencies (no profit motive or bankruptcy risk), so leverage comes from collaboration, arbitration, or congressional advocacy rather than economic disruption. Public-sector bargaining (including federal) often involves legislators and has less market discipline than private-sector talks.
In short, private unions have stronger economic weapons and broader topics; federal unions focus on procedural fairness, workplace environment, and due process within strict legal limits.

Why Federal Unions Benefit Federal Employees

Despite limitations, federal unions provide meaningful protections and voice in a system where individual employees lack leverage against a large bureaucracy:
  • Grievance representation and due process: Unions represent employees (even non-members) in disciplinary actions, performance reviews, and disputes. They ensure merit-system principles are followed, preventing arbitrary or politically motivated actions. Exclusive representatives must act without discrimination.
  • Negotiation of working conditions: They secure agreements on telework, flexible schedules, safety standards, overtime rules, performance appraisal processes, and other day-to-day issues that improve quality of life and efficiency. Unions collaborate with management on technology implementation and operational improvements.
  • Workplace advocacy and protections: They act as "eyes and ears" for issues like waste, unethical practices, or safety hazards. They lobby Congress on broader issues (e.g., preserving pensions, FEHB, or cost-of-living adjustments) and provide training/resources. This helps maintain a merit-based civil service rather than a spoils system.
  • Job security and fairness: While terminations for cause occur (roughly 10,000 federal employees fired annually for conduct or poor performance, at rates comparable to or higher than the private sector's ~0.3% for-cause involuntary separations), unions ensure fair procedures, reducing favoritism or retaliation.
  • Collective voice without individual risk: Employees gain structured input into policies affecting morale and operations, often leading to better retention and productivity. Non-members still benefit from contracts and representation.
These benefits stem from the union's legal obligation to represent the entire unit fairly, fostering accountability while protecting workers from mismanagement.

Common Misconceptions Held by the Typical Person

Many misconceptions arise from conflating federal unions with private-sector ones or from political rhetoric about "government inefficiency." Here are the most prevalent, based on union fact sheets and legal realities:
  • "Federal unions are just like private unions—they can strike or demand huge pay/benefits raises." False. Strikes are illegal, and pay/benefits are off-limits for bargaining. This leads to the incorrect view that unions could "shut down" the government or drive unsustainable costs directly.
  • "Unions make it impossible to fire bad employees." False. Federal for-cause termination rates match or exceed the private sector's; unions do not block accountability but enforce due process to prevent abuse. Merit System Principles deter corruption, not firings.
  • "Federal unions force dues payment or mandatory membership." False. Dues are entirely voluntary; employees cannot be required to join or pay. Non-members still receive representation benefits.
  • "Unions prioritize politics over public service. Overstated. Federal employees (unionized or not) swear an oath to the Constitution, not politicians. Union members vote across parties, and unions often partner with management on efficiency while flagging unethical behavior or political overreach.
  • "They bloat government and waste taxpayer money without adding value." Misleading. The federal civilian workforce (~2 million non-postal) has remained stable in size since the 1950s and is at historic lows per capita. Unions focus on conditions, not expanding headcount; much spending goes to contractors instead.
 
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Federal employees are unionized. This is an example of why public pensions are inherently more sustainable than private pensions. Companies must satisfy consumer demand to remain in business and generate revenue to contribute to pensions. Public pensions via threats of force extort contributions via taxation.
Some Federal employees are unionized, but not all. The USPS is in a tough spot: rising costs, declining revenues, minimal government funding and pressure from large retailers and mailers to keep shipping costs low. Sure, many postal employees are overpaid, but there's more to it than that. How many postage stamps have you purchased in the past year?
 
It’s a good view that a government agency attempt to operate as if it were for profit. Business or organizations that do not operate well / efficiently cease to exist including non profits.
How many of those businesses are mandated to provide uniform service throughout the nation, including the boondocks and hinterlands where the Postal Service must deliver mail by snowmobile, motorboat, dog sled or seaplane? This is the biggest argument against privatization of the Postal Service. No one else will perform the service.
 
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