I have only visited Canada briefly and have no real idea about the cost of living like you do.
It seems the pay scale is right in line with Canada's.
It seems the pay scale is right in line with Canada's.
US high school students are dumb as a rock
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Originally Posted By: pbm
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
Truth!!
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
Truth!!
Originally Posted By: dparm
After browsing that website, I must say it is rather one-sided...
+1
I found more students who work harder today than their parents did 30 years ago at the same age. Then again, many children are who they are because of poor parenting, or the lack of.
After browsing that website, I must say it is rather one-sided...
+1
I found more students who work harder today than their parents did 30 years ago at the same age. Then again, many children are who they are because of poor parenting, or the lack of.
Teachers here are paid a minimum 60k after 10 years with a masters degree and with excellent benefits. That is changing with recent legislation for the worse.
I have several teachers in my family and believe me it is the Parenting most of the time. You would not believe the stories of these childrens home life, some of them dont stand a chance of being educated.
They also have made it much harder recently to graduate high school here with minimum standards and the dropout rate is even higher than it used to be.
I have several teachers in my family and believe me it is the Parenting most of the time. You would not believe the stories of these childrens home life, some of them dont stand a chance of being educated.
They also have made it much harder recently to graduate high school here with minimum standards and the dropout rate is even higher than it used to be.
I'll be honest, my daughter (now in college) and my son (now in high school) worked harder than I did in high school and I went to a private Prep School that was very well respected.
Hard to support any generalizations that are made above. My kids were well-served by the public high school in their town. The teachers were great, curriculum well-rounded, particularly for a small school, and the education was, in general, excellent.
My daughter is at Yale. If all of the criticisms of US public schools (and students) in this thread were true, she would not be there.
Hard to support any generalizations that are made above. My kids were well-served by the public high school in their town. The teachers were great, curriculum well-rounded, particularly for a small school, and the education was, in general, excellent.
My daughter is at Yale. If all of the criticisms of US public schools (and students) in this thread were true, she would not be there.
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My kids also are were much better educated than me and now are college grads. There were a few bad/lazy teachers along the way but they were the exception.
If you want to learn and have parental support our schools overall can be very good.
If you want to learn and have parental support our schools overall can be very good.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archive...nts-do-not-know
I've had conversations with people who think the United States was founded in the 1900s.
The fact that someone would cite that website as an objective source of information, and then link to it in an attempt to provide evidence of anything proves your point. Clearly the dumbing down has been going on for quite some time.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archive...nts-do-not-know
I've had conversations with people who think the United States was founded in the 1900s.
The fact that someone would cite that website as an objective source of information, and then link to it in an attempt to provide evidence of anything proves your point. Clearly the dumbing down has been going on for quite some time.
Originally Posted By: Rand
I used to date a girl. she had a masters degree.. bother her parents had doctorate's and taught college..
none of them could put air in a tire, add oil or change a windshield wiper blade. Her brother was working on his masters..didnt even know FWD or RWD...
My neighbors own their own insurance business and are very well educated. They asked me if I could put some dirt in a low spot off their driveway because AND I QUOTE: "Nobody that lives here can do that."
I used to date a girl. she had a masters degree.. bother her parents had doctorate's and taught college..
none of them could put air in a tire, add oil or change a windshield wiper blade. Her brother was working on his masters..didnt even know FWD or RWD...
My neighbors own their own insurance business and are very well educated. They asked me if I could put some dirt in a low spot off their driveway because AND I QUOTE: "Nobody that lives here can do that."
Maybe the first few years.
Unless the lessons change, my wife has the whole summer off. Remember, I live with a faculty member, so I know how much work she does. She does go more days that all the students and most of the faculty.
But she still gets the whole summer off.
So it's no joke, I've seen it for the past 7 years I've known my wife.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Summers off are a joke. That's when most continuing education and training is done. Lesson planning for the upcoming year, familiarizing with new rules/regulations, and other requirements are expected to be completed then. Teachers just don't sit at home sipping margaritas all summer.
Yeah, I always get a giggle about the "nine month" job.
My mother was a teacher, and yes, there was no childcare issue in the holidays, but fully half the holidays we were amusing ourselves in the school playground whil she worked for next year's classes, and the stack of stuff that was wheeled out after dinner most nights for marking, correction, review etc.
Unless the lessons change, my wife has the whole summer off. Remember, I live with a faculty member, so I know how much work she does. She does go more days that all the students and most of the faculty.
But she still gets the whole summer off.
So it's no joke, I've seen it for the past 7 years I've known my wife.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Summers off are a joke. That's when most continuing education and training is done. Lesson planning for the upcoming year, familiarizing with new rules/regulations, and other requirements are expected to be completed then. Teachers just don't sit at home sipping margaritas all summer.
Yeah, I always get a giggle about the "nine month" job.
My mother was a teacher, and yes, there was no childcare issue in the holidays, but fully half the holidays we were amusing ourselves in the school playground whil she worked for next year's classes, and the stack of stuff that was wheeled out after dinner most nights for marking, correction, review etc.
Originally Posted By: 65cuda
My wife does some sub work and we know several teachers and I know my wife has SS taken out of any check she gets. Maybe since your wife is a social worker it is different, but you probably need to be checking into it. She might be classified as a contract worker and be expected to pay that herself. She might also be hurting herself for future SS benefits. I like how people like to bring up the summer months off. They kind of tend to forget that most teachers are expected to continue to take more courses which usually occurs during the summer months and also they kind of forget about the hours spent grading and making lesson plans, parent teacher meetings and other events that they are expected many times to attend, but hey let's not let little things like that ruin a bad example. Oh and by the way if it is such a great gig with such great bennies how come the fallout rate for new teachers is so bad? Might want to walk a mile in their shoes.
It probably depends on the state. In MO, the staff in MO teachers retirement system don't pay SSI taxes.
My wife does some sub work and we know several teachers and I know my wife has SS taken out of any check she gets. Maybe since your wife is a social worker it is different, but you probably need to be checking into it. She might be classified as a contract worker and be expected to pay that herself. She might also be hurting herself for future SS benefits. I like how people like to bring up the summer months off. They kind of tend to forget that most teachers are expected to continue to take more courses which usually occurs during the summer months and also they kind of forget about the hours spent grading and making lesson plans, parent teacher meetings and other events that they are expected many times to attend, but hey let's not let little things like that ruin a bad example. Oh and by the way if it is such a great gig with such great bennies how come the fallout rate for new teachers is so bad? Might want to walk a mile in their shoes.
It probably depends on the state. In MO, the staff in MO teachers retirement system don't pay SSI taxes.
Originally Posted By: stranger706
Last year my wife took home $26,400. Shes been teaching for 7 years and this will probably be her last. She loves teaching, and loves the kids, but the system is going down the drain FAST.
Parents are brutal. They yell and curse when they don't get their way. My wife comes home in tears oh about once or twice a month. The school does not stand up for the teachers at all. God forbid you offend someone, they'll try and get you fired.
Nobody cares anymore. The parents do not want you to teach and make their kids productive. They want you to babysit. That is the direction we are headed. Babysitters with a college degree.
This is 100% completely believable.
My wife is in the education system. My mother is a principal and her sister teaches at USF. My grandmother was a schoolhouse teacher and 2 of her sisters worked at WVU and Marshal. I've seen and heard the stories of how downhill the entire program has gone.
I learned that in order to FIX the system, you must first BREAK the system. I'm totally against giving any more money (tax dollars or otherwise) to a public school system. It needs to be abolished and privatized, not propped up by straw men and paper houses.
I work for a state college. The level of elitism from the upper levels down to mid-management creates an atmosphere of paranoia and fear. The ideas that come out of people with PHds are too asinine for me to even repeat or go into. All of this is borne out of the ridiculous idea I heard on here earlier - progressiveness.
The government should not be accountable or responsible for the education of children. That is the parents' responsibility.
Last year my wife took home $26,400. Shes been teaching for 7 years and this will probably be her last. She loves teaching, and loves the kids, but the system is going down the drain FAST.
Parents are brutal. They yell and curse when they don't get their way. My wife comes home in tears oh about once or twice a month. The school does not stand up for the teachers at all. God forbid you offend someone, they'll try and get you fired.
Nobody cares anymore. The parents do not want you to teach and make their kids productive. They want you to babysit. That is the direction we are headed. Babysitters with a college degree.
This is 100% completely believable.
My wife is in the education system. My mother is a principal and her sister teaches at USF. My grandmother was a schoolhouse teacher and 2 of her sisters worked at WVU and Marshal. I've seen and heard the stories of how downhill the entire program has gone.
I learned that in order to FIX the system, you must first BREAK the system. I'm totally against giving any more money (tax dollars or otherwise) to a public school system. It needs to be abolished and privatized, not propped up by straw men and paper houses.
I work for a state college. The level of elitism from the upper levels down to mid-management creates an atmosphere of paranoia and fear. The ideas that come out of people with PHds are too asinine for me to even repeat or go into. All of this is borne out of the ridiculous idea I heard on here earlier - progressiveness.
The government should not be accountable or responsible for the education of children. That is the parents' responsibility.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
New Hampshire's system
When you get a smallish state with pockets of poverty and pockets of relative richness (seacoast), making one part pay for the other is, well, interesting.
I honestly think people in the top 5% of suburbia aren't content with "good schools", they have to rub it in the noses of others, like when they visit a poor school for sports and the poor kids have junkier facilities. Then in the car ride home Dad explains why the basketball bounces funny on their rotten floor.
Kind of like the "I have health insurance... and you don't, because of your life choices" smugness that I don't really understand.
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
New Hampshire's system
When you get a smallish state with pockets of poverty and pockets of relative richness (seacoast), making one part pay for the other is, well, interesting.
I honestly think people in the top 5% of suburbia aren't content with "good schools", they have to rub it in the noses of others, like when they visit a poor school for sports and the poor kids have junkier facilities. Then in the car ride home Dad explains why the basketball bounces funny on their rotten floor.
Kind of like the "I have health insurance... and you don't, because of your life choices" smugness that I don't really understand.
Originally Posted By: stranger706
Nobody cares anymore. The parents do not want you to teach and make their kids productive. They want you to babysit. That is the direction we are headed. Babysitters with a college degree.
This is the problem. How can we say that our kids are dumb, when parents behave that way? That makes them dumb too, and their parents as well.
Kids of today are as intelligent any other previous generation. It is the upbringing that is constantly getting worse. Today's parents do not want to help kids with homework, that's what school is for. When little Jimmy gets bad marks, it's the school's and teacher's fault. When little Jimmy cannot behave in public or at home, he must have some sort of disorder and be on meds. Kids cannot be stressed by homework assignments and studying.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but fundamentally if parents do not take the interest in helping their kids with homework, involving them with extra curricular activities and teach them proper manners, they cannot expect the "system" to do it for them.
Nobody cares anymore. The parents do not want you to teach and make their kids productive. They want you to babysit. That is the direction we are headed. Babysitters with a college degree.
This is the problem. How can we say that our kids are dumb, when parents behave that way? That makes them dumb too, and their parents as well.
Kids of today are as intelligent any other previous generation. It is the upbringing that is constantly getting worse. Today's parents do not want to help kids with homework, that's what school is for. When little Jimmy gets bad marks, it's the school's and teacher's fault. When little Jimmy cannot behave in public or at home, he must have some sort of disorder and be on meds. Kids cannot be stressed by homework assignments and studying.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but fundamentally if parents do not take the interest in helping their kids with homework, involving them with extra curricular activities and teach them proper manners, they cannot expect the "system" to do it for them.
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Not sure if this is chicken or egg, but found this interesting.
Of course, it is the parents fault in every way, including blocking available jobs to the next generation, due to massive debt and excess taken on years back...
Coupled with lack of parenting (buying stuff isnt parenting in and of itself), pushes away from math and science as the basis for intelligence and knowledge capability, etc.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-jobs-gap-between-young-050926726.html
With government data showing record gaps in employment between young and old, a Pew survey found that 41 percent of Americans believe that younger adults have been hit harder than any other group, compared with 29 percent who say middle-aged Americans and 24 percent who point to seniors 65 and older. A wide majority of the public — at least 69 percent — also said it's more difficult for today's young adults than their parents' generation to pay for college, find a job, buy a home or save for the future.
Among young adults ages 18 to 34, only a third rated their financial situation as "excellent" or "good," compared with 54 percent for seniors age 65 and over. In 2004, before the recession began, about half of both young and older adults rated their own financial situation highly.
—The share of young adults 18-24 who are employed has dropped to 54.3 percent, the lowest level since the government began tracking such data in 1948. In the downturn, the employment decline has been steeper for this age group than any other; at the end of 2011, the unemployment rate was 16.3 percent for 18-to-24-year olds and 8.8 percent for adults ages 18-64. After the recession technically ended in mid-2009, the gap in the unemployment rate between those two age groups stretched to the widest on record.
—Young adults working full time have median weekly earnings of $448, about 6 percent less than in 2007, as employers found it easier to restrict the wages for entry-level jobs than to cut the pay of more experienced workers. Other age groups had either no change or modest increases in pay during the same period.
—About 19 percent of men ages 25-34 were idle in the weak job market, neither working nor attending school. That's up from 14 percent in 2007.
Of course, it is the parents fault in every way, including blocking available jobs to the next generation, due to massive debt and excess taken on years back...
Coupled with lack of parenting (buying stuff isnt parenting in and of itself), pushes away from math and science as the basis for intelligence and knowledge capability, etc.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-jobs-gap-between-young-050926726.html
With government data showing record gaps in employment between young and old, a Pew survey found that 41 percent of Americans believe that younger adults have been hit harder than any other group, compared with 29 percent who say middle-aged Americans and 24 percent who point to seniors 65 and older. A wide majority of the public — at least 69 percent — also said it's more difficult for today's young adults than their parents' generation to pay for college, find a job, buy a home or save for the future.
Among young adults ages 18 to 34, only a third rated their financial situation as "excellent" or "good," compared with 54 percent for seniors age 65 and over. In 2004, before the recession began, about half of both young and older adults rated their own financial situation highly.
—The share of young adults 18-24 who are employed has dropped to 54.3 percent, the lowest level since the government began tracking such data in 1948. In the downturn, the employment decline has been steeper for this age group than any other; at the end of 2011, the unemployment rate was 16.3 percent for 18-to-24-year olds and 8.8 percent for adults ages 18-64. After the recession technically ended in mid-2009, the gap in the unemployment rate between those two age groups stretched to the widest on record.
—Young adults working full time have median weekly earnings of $448, about 6 percent less than in 2007, as employers found it easier to restrict the wages for entry-level jobs than to cut the pay of more experienced workers. Other age groups had either no change or modest increases in pay during the same period.
—About 19 percent of men ages 25-34 were idle in the weak job market, neither working nor attending school. That's up from 14 percent in 2007.
Originally Posted By: 65cuda
My wife does some sub work and we know several teachers and I know my wife has SS taken out of any check she gets. Maybe since your wife is a social worker it is different, but you probably need to be checking into it. She might be classified as a contract worker and be expected to pay that herself. She might also be hurting herself for future SS benefits. I like how people like to bring up the summer months off. They kind of tend to forget that most teachers are expected to continue to take more courses which usually occurs during the summer months and also they kind of forget about the hours spent grading and making lesson plans, parent teacher meetings and other events that they are expected many times to attend, but hey let's not let little things like that ruin a bad example. Oh and by the way if it is such a great gig with such great bennies how come the fallout rate for new teachers is so bad? Might want to walk a mile in their shoes.
At least in MO, when you get advanced degrees, you get more pay. My wife gets paid for MAD (Multiple Advanced Degrees.) So it's not like that continuing education doesn't pay.
I believe many other states are like this as well, you get your Masters, or multiple Masters or a Doctorate, and they pay you more.
You asked about the dropout rate for teachers. I think it's due to factors other than pay. Folks here have already mentioned parents with unrealistic expectations.
It's a tough job being a teacher. I did technical training for a season in my life and that's a tough gig. Sure, it paid in the 6 figures, and keeping my Frequent Flier Miles was nice and all, but it's grueling at times. For the most part, my students wanted to be there.
Now make it tougher by having to take every student that lives in the district, and getting little or no parental support. It's that 80/20 rule. Teachers, social workers and principal spend 80% of their time on the 20% of the students who are as my wife calls them, "Frequent Fliers."
Students who won't control themselves in class, regardless how many recesses they get. It's not all about boys not getting enough exercise. That's part of it. But it's also parents who don't back up the teachers.
NCLB is not a failure solely because of teachers. What do you expect teachers to accomplish when they only get about 40 hours out of the 168 hours each week. Teachers might have 15-20% of a child's time during the K-12 years. There is only so much they can do.
Much of it gets "undone" by the parents who question the authority or the value of what's being taught.
I'm not talking about questioning what my wife does, values training, as well as dealing with all the problems these kids bring to school from home. (Some kids come from some pretty messed up homes, what do we really expect?) I'm talking about parents who question the value of Math, Science, and Reading/Language Arts.
If education is not important to the parents, it won't be important to the children.
You can have the best paid, most qualified teaching staff available to mankind. But without parents committed to eduction, it's a resource that goes to waste.
I'm not saying all teachers are good. My wife can tell you about those who simply need to retire, or get into another line of work. I'm saying there are external factors bigger than the staff at your local school.
There is no amount of money you can throw at this to make the parents care.
Fix the parents and you'll have a fixed education system.
My wife does some sub work and we know several teachers and I know my wife has SS taken out of any check she gets. Maybe since your wife is a social worker it is different, but you probably need to be checking into it. She might be classified as a contract worker and be expected to pay that herself. She might also be hurting herself for future SS benefits. I like how people like to bring up the summer months off. They kind of tend to forget that most teachers are expected to continue to take more courses which usually occurs during the summer months and also they kind of forget about the hours spent grading and making lesson plans, parent teacher meetings and other events that they are expected many times to attend, but hey let's not let little things like that ruin a bad example. Oh and by the way if it is such a great gig with such great bennies how come the fallout rate for new teachers is so bad? Might want to walk a mile in their shoes.
At least in MO, when you get advanced degrees, you get more pay. My wife gets paid for MAD (Multiple Advanced Degrees.) So it's not like that continuing education doesn't pay.
I believe many other states are like this as well, you get your Masters, or multiple Masters or a Doctorate, and they pay you more.
You asked about the dropout rate for teachers. I think it's due to factors other than pay. Folks here have already mentioned parents with unrealistic expectations.
It's a tough job being a teacher. I did technical training for a season in my life and that's a tough gig. Sure, it paid in the 6 figures, and keeping my Frequent Flier Miles was nice and all, but it's grueling at times. For the most part, my students wanted to be there.
Now make it tougher by having to take every student that lives in the district, and getting little or no parental support. It's that 80/20 rule. Teachers, social workers and principal spend 80% of their time on the 20% of the students who are as my wife calls them, "Frequent Fliers."
Students who won't control themselves in class, regardless how many recesses they get. It's not all about boys not getting enough exercise. That's part of it. But it's also parents who don't back up the teachers.
NCLB is not a failure solely because of teachers. What do you expect teachers to accomplish when they only get about 40 hours out of the 168 hours each week. Teachers might have 15-20% of a child's time during the K-12 years. There is only so much they can do.
Much of it gets "undone" by the parents who question the authority or the value of what's being taught.
I'm not talking about questioning what my wife does, values training, as well as dealing with all the problems these kids bring to school from home. (Some kids come from some pretty messed up homes, what do we really expect?) I'm talking about parents who question the value of Math, Science, and Reading/Language Arts.
If education is not important to the parents, it won't be important to the children.
You can have the best paid, most qualified teaching staff available to mankind. But without parents committed to eduction, it's a resource that goes to waste.
I'm not saying all teachers are good. My wife can tell you about those who simply need to retire, or get into another line of work. I'm saying there are external factors bigger than the staff at your local school.
There is no amount of money you can throw at this to make the parents care.
Fix the parents and you'll have a fixed education system.
Is it smugness, or is it different outlooks on life?
We moved to a top performing school district because providing our children a quality education is a priority. We believe it opens many doors to our children.
I can believe that and value that without being smug.
What I wonder is why don't the folks who live in areas with the gyms as you describe, take a more active role in making education better.
I look at the school "reports cards" that are posted. When you look at a nearby district such as East St Louis, IL, it's one of the top spending/student districts in the state. Certainly more than my rural district.
But what are the outcomes?
The rural district where I grew up outscores ESL on everything other than qualifications of faculty and amount spent per student.
So for less money, with fewer teachers with advanced degrees and/or experience, the rural district out performs the district where money is funneled in by the truckload.
Maybe it's not how much is spent, but how much the community values education?
Again, no raises in teacher pay are going to address the parent problem.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
New Hampshire's system
When you get a smallish state with pockets of poverty and pockets of relative richness (seacoast), making one part pay for the other is, well, interesting.
I honestly think people in the top 5% of suburbia aren't content with "good schools", they have to rub it in the noses of others, like when they visit a poor school for sports and the poor kids have junkier facilities. Then in the car ride home Dad explains why the basketball bounces funny on their rotten floor.
Kind of like the "I have health insurance... and you don't, because of your life choices" smugness that I don't really understand.
We moved to a top performing school district because providing our children a quality education is a priority. We believe it opens many doors to our children.
I can believe that and value that without being smug.
What I wonder is why don't the folks who live in areas with the gyms as you describe, take a more active role in making education better.
I look at the school "reports cards" that are posted. When you look at a nearby district such as East St Louis, IL, it's one of the top spending/student districts in the state. Certainly more than my rural district.
But what are the outcomes?
The rural district where I grew up outscores ESL on everything other than qualifications of faculty and amount spent per student.
So for less money, with fewer teachers with advanced degrees and/or experience, the rural district out performs the district where money is funneled in by the truckload.
Maybe it's not how much is spent, but how much the community values education?
Again, no raises in teacher pay are going to address the parent problem.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
New Hampshire's system
When you get a smallish state with pockets of poverty and pockets of relative richness (seacoast), making one part pay for the other is, well, interesting.
I honestly think people in the top 5% of suburbia aren't content with "good schools", they have to rub it in the noses of others, like when they visit a poor school for sports and the poor kids have junkier facilities. Then in the car ride home Dad explains why the basketball bounces funny on their rotten floor.
Kind of like the "I have health insurance... and you don't, because of your life choices" smugness that I don't really understand.
javacontour, that is an excellent summary.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: pbm
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
I agree with this completely. We as a society have enabled the inept and moronic to live in comfort and reproduce in record numbers.
...and they are.....All one has to do is watch Jerry Springer or Maury Povich to see what America is becoming (has become)...
Originally Posted By: pbm
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
I agree with this completely. We as a society have enabled the inept and moronic to live in comfort and reproduce in record numbers.
...and they are.....All one has to do is watch Jerry Springer or Maury Povich to see what America is becoming (has become)...
I aint think all them youngins are dumb. I gradutaded in 2010 and I feel as if i learned alot. Its justa my frans and peers don't giva dayum to learn the things they tryed to put in 2 ours brayns. I amma big histery nerd and enjoy learnin bout lots uf things. I wasen't raised strictly or forced to studie. its just a natural interest and if yur intrested you will learns alot more then if ya didndnt care for the subject.
I learned more about world history in 7th grade (Thanks to an amazing teacher) then many know today as adults who have completed school. Also because I was exposed to things I took my passion to learn outside of school. I have learned a lot simply from the history channel. Its not because I'm smarter, i was just more interested then my average peer in school was. I don't think its age either, i meet plenty of very dumb people who are much older then me and I also meet a lot of young people who are very smart.
As far as school goes and grades, i don't think they are any indication on how smart someone is. when half of your grade is based on Homework and doing small tedious work instead of tests and proving your knowledge I think getting a bad grade in a class means your more lazy then dumb.
we know a lot more about Oil then most people in the world, not because we are smarter but because we have the passion and motivation to learn about oil. Just because many can't work on a car does not mean they are dumb. They just focus on other things.
I learned more about world history in 7th grade (Thanks to an amazing teacher) then many know today as adults who have completed school. Also because I was exposed to things I took my passion to learn outside of school. I have learned a lot simply from the history channel. Its not because I'm smarter, i was just more interested then my average peer in school was. I don't think its age either, i meet plenty of very dumb people who are much older then me and I also meet a lot of young people who are very smart.
As far as school goes and grades, i don't think they are any indication on how smart someone is. when half of your grade is based on Homework and doing small tedious work instead of tests and proving your knowledge I think getting a bad grade in a class means your more lazy then dumb.
we know a lot more about Oil then most people in the world, not because we are smarter but because we have the passion and motivation to learn about oil. Just because many can't work on a car does not mean they are dumb. They just focus on other things.
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Again, while we obviously don't want to throw money at a broken system, taking money out of it isn't the solution either.
Really, how does the public ever get the attention of a bureacracy and express dissatisfaction with results? Cutting off the bucks is the best way I'm aware of.
Taking money out may not be the solution per se, but is probably the best path to an ultimate solution.
It will happen sooner or later, anyway. As a nation, we can't borrow money forever, afaik.
Again, while we obviously don't want to throw money at a broken system, taking money out of it isn't the solution either.
Really, how does the public ever get the attention of a bureacracy and express dissatisfaction with results? Cutting off the bucks is the best way I'm aware of.
Taking money out may not be the solution per se, but is probably the best path to an ultimate solution.
It will happen sooner or later, anyway. As a nation, we can't borrow money forever, afaik.
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