US high school students are dumb as a rock
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Originally Posted By: pbm
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
I agree with this completely. We as a society have enabled the inept and moronic to live in comfort and reproduce in record numbers.
I really believe that there are those who benefit from the 'dumbing down' of America...
When people are dumb you can fool them.
I also believe that 50 years of welfare have thrown 'survival of the fittest' out the window.
I agree with this completely. We as a society have enabled the inept and moronic to live in comfort and reproduce in record numbers.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Summers off are a joke. That's when most continuing education and training is done. Lesson planning for the upcoming year, familiarizing with new rules/regulations, and other requirements are expected to be completed then. Teachers just don't sit at home sipping margaritas all summer.
Yeah, I always get a giggle about the "nine month" job.
My mother was a teacher, and yes, there was no childcare issue in the holidays, but fully half the holidays we were amusing ourselves in the school playground whil she worked for next year's classes, and the stack of stuff that was wheeled out after dinner most nights for marking, correction, review etc.
Summers off are a joke. That's when most continuing education and training is done. Lesson planning for the upcoming year, familiarizing with new rules/regulations, and other requirements are expected to be completed then. Teachers just don't sit at home sipping margaritas all summer.
Yeah, I always get a giggle about the "nine month" job.
My mother was a teacher, and yes, there was no childcare issue in the holidays, but fully half the holidays we were amusing ourselves in the school playground whil she worked for next year's classes, and the stack of stuff that was wheeled out after dinner most nights for marking, correction, review etc.
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Yes, nobody seems to care. I have discussions with young folks and it's as though they were taught next to nothing in school. Almost a total blank stare when I try and talk to them about real history or bring up our nations founding. They do however seem to know all about how the Native Americans were exploited, the Japanese-Americans interred during WW2, and Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement.
don't forget about the tuskegee airmen. that bugs a lot of bigots too.
I wonder if most home schooled kids know a lot more about the coming race war, noah's ark and the bell curve theory?
Yes, nobody seems to care. I have discussions with young folks and it's as though they were taught next to nothing in school. Almost a total blank stare when I try and talk to them about real history or bring up our nations founding. They do however seem to know all about how the Native Americans were exploited, the Japanese-Americans interred during WW2, and Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement.
don't forget about the tuskegee airmen. that bugs a lot of bigots too.
I wonder if most home schooled kids know a lot more about the coming race war, noah's ark and the bell curve theory?
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Wait - Drew99...are you really saying that high school students are dumb as rocks after defending the high school student who gave her friend the prescription inhaler?
so...are they dumb? or smart enough to dispense prescription drugs to each other?
just wondering....
I'm not even going to touch that horse [censored].
Wait - Drew99...are you really saying that high school students are dumb as rocks after defending the high school student who gave her friend the prescription inhaler?
so...are they dumb? or smart enough to dispense prescription drugs to each other?
just wondering....
I'm not even going to touch that horse [censored].
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Originally Posted By: Al
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford .
I guess you can afford high school kids who are dumb as bricks?
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford .
I guess you can afford high school kids who are dumb as bricks?
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I wonder what teachers get paid in Germany..... Trav?
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Originally Posted By: Al
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford .
I guess you can afford high school kids who are dumb as bricks?
What is the solution?? School Districts can not solve
the big picture (How America will turn out). They can only look at providing education that their taxpayers can afford.
Originally Posted By: Al
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford .
I guess you can afford high school kids who are dumb as bricks?
What is the solution?? School Districts can not solve
the big picture (How America will turn out). They can only look at providing education that their taxpayers can afford.
Trouble is that education is to many a low priority. They will find money for pet projects and then plead poverty when it comes to the schools and the education. No different than any other budget. If you make it a priority then you probably will be able to make a decent budget, but if it isn't a priority then it will get the crumbs.
Many good points above, I won't repeat them. I can only add some observations of public school:
- They will spend huge sums on a facility, then not hire enough teachers for the population the school serves. 30 children per teacher in kindergarden and first grade? Please.
- Children get no playground time, then we wonder why little boys are diagnosed with attention deficit.
- It is sad for me to see some better teachers aspire to administration because they see better wages there.
- Higher education only seem to hire part time anymore, so they don't have to pay any benefits to faculty. Only administration gets the benefits.
- And yes, parents play a big part in the problem, perhaps the biggest of all in lower education where their parenting is most needed.
- They will spend huge sums on a facility, then not hire enough teachers for the population the school serves. 30 children per teacher in kindergarden and first grade? Please.
- Children get no playground time, then we wonder why little boys are diagnosed with attention deficit.
- It is sad for me to see some better teachers aspire to administration because they see better wages there.
- Higher education only seem to hire part time anymore, so they don't have to pay any benefits to faculty. Only administration gets the benefits.
- And yes, parents play a big part in the problem, perhaps the biggest of all in lower education where their parenting is most needed.
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I wonder what teachers get paid in Germany..... Trav?
I find I ask myself "How do they do this in Germany?" once in a while too. I bet its very similar to teacher salaries in Ontario or even more, $45-85k depending on experience and qualifications.
So there's lots of competition to get in as its a pretty solid job for 5 years of university level education, especially those with arts degrees.
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
I wonder what teachers get paid in Germany..... Trav?
I find I ask myself "How do they do this in Germany?" once in a while too. I bet its very similar to teacher salaries in Ontario or even more, $45-85k depending on experience and qualifications.
So there's lots of competition to get in as its a pretty solid job for 5 years of university level education, especially those with arts degrees.
An easy fix I see for the U.S. system have the state fund public education so every board gets the same amount of money per student state wide. Averaged out there is probably enough money for a solid education system in most states. Well to do boards would whine but they can still fundraise for the extras.
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I wonder what teachers get paid in Germany..... Trav?
I find I ask myself "How do they do this in Germany?" once in a while too. I bet its very similar to teacher salaries in Ontario or even more, $45-85k depending on experience and qualifications.
So there's lots of competition to get in as its a pretty solid job for 5 years of university level education, especially those with arts degrees.
I was thinking the same thing.
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I wonder what teachers get paid in Germany..... Trav?
I find I ask myself "How do they do this in Germany?" once in a while too. I bet its very similar to teacher salaries in Ontario or even more, $45-85k depending on experience and qualifications.
So there's lots of competition to get in as its a pretty solid job for 5 years of university level education, especially those with arts degrees.
I was thinking the same thing.
My good friend Uwe is a middle school teacher with 10 yrs experience and gets 3200 Euro a month net and lives in a mid size city.
If he were to teach high school it would be more like 4K a month. Not BMW or MB money by any means.
Benefits for teachers are decent in the German school system.
If he were to teach high school it would be more like 4K a month. Not BMW or MB money by any means.
Benefits for teachers are decent in the German school system.
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Originally Posted By: Trav
My good friend Uwe is a middle school teacher with 10 yrs experience and gets 3200 Euro a month net and lives in a mid size city.
If he were to teach high school it would be more like 4K a month. Not BMW or MB money by any means.
Benefits for teachers are decent in the German school system.
That's still $5,300USD a month bud; $64,000 a year roughly. And that's NET? That is in-line with what Canadian teachers make.
My good friend Uwe is a middle school teacher with 10 yrs experience and gets 3200 Euro a month net and lives in a mid size city.
If he were to teach high school it would be more like 4K a month. Not BMW or MB money by any means.
Benefits for teachers are decent in the German school system.
That's still $5,300USD a month bud; $64,000 a year roughly. And that's NET? That is in-line with what Canadian teachers make.
Yes thats net. Teachers are Beamte (civil servant) and pay no health ins, pension etc.
As you know prices in Germany are quite high in general compared to the US so its all relative.
As you know prices in Germany are quite high in general compared to the US so its all relative.
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Yes thats net. Teachers are Beamte (civil servant) and pay no health ins, pension etc.
As you know prices in Germany are quite high in general compared to the US so its all relative.
Yeah, prices in Canada are higher too though.
Yes thats net. Teachers are Beamte (civil servant) and pay no health ins, pension etc.
As you know prices in Germany are quite high in general compared to the US so its all relative.
Yeah, prices in Canada are higher too though.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
That's why reading and math trump all, science and social studies suck, and arts are essentially nowhere on the map.
At least in NJ, while reading and math were most important, most peoples' interests and class choices were in English, Social Studies and Art. We HAD to learn to play recorder and violin in 3rd grade, and music lessons were free after that age through graduation if interested.
It is only due to budget that arts and music go away in some districts. Not for lack of interest.
Of course NJ might well be different from much of the country due to affluence and very high taxes. But you have to pay for this stuff somehow.
That's why reading and math trump all, science and social studies suck, and arts are essentially nowhere on the map.
At least in NJ, while reading and math were most important, most peoples' interests and class choices were in English, Social Studies and Art. We HAD to learn to play recorder and violin in 3rd grade, and music lessons were free after that age through graduation if interested.
It is only due to budget that arts and music go away in some districts. Not for lack of interest.
Of course NJ might well be different from much of the country due to affluence and very high taxes. But you have to pay for this stuff somehow.
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Originally Posted By: Al
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford . Communities are struggling to pay the enormous legacy benefits and medical benefits.
You cold eliminate the Gangsta'NEA/AFT and get any number of better qualified teachers than the hacks (in many cases) in place now.
Let the school district advertise for terachers based on what the system can afford..not what the Unions demand (or strike) You would have long lines of qualified teachers applying.
If the system can't "afford" to pay teachers more than it does now, that's a problem.
I happen to think that, while teacher pay is low for what most teachers bring to the table and what the job entails, it is also more or less in line with what teachers actually deliver. That discrepancy is down to how they are trained and the inordinate pressures placed on them by administration, both of which are heavily influenced by lack of money (among many other things). Again, while we obviously don't want to throw money at a broken system, taking money out of it isn't the solution either.
Starting teachers with only a B.Sc. in the district where my wife treats start around $42k/yr.
But remember, the year is like 1380 hours. That's about $30/hr or equivalent to $60k/yr on a standard 2000 hr man-year.
Not bad, not great.
And while openings for lower-education jobs get flooded literally with thousands of applications, those in math and science offer bonuses because the bulk of the existing population, let alone graduating kids, are too stupid to be able to understand geometry or calculus in a practical manner.
Originally Posted By: Al
They should get paid in accordance what we can afford . Communities are struggling to pay the enormous legacy benefits and medical benefits.
You cold eliminate the Gangsta'NEA/AFT and get any number of better qualified teachers than the hacks (in many cases) in place now.
Let the school district advertise for terachers based on what the system can afford..not what the Unions demand (or strike) You would have long lines of qualified teachers applying.
If the system can't "afford" to pay teachers more than it does now, that's a problem.
I happen to think that, while teacher pay is low for what most teachers bring to the table and what the job entails, it is also more or less in line with what teachers actually deliver. That discrepancy is down to how they are trained and the inordinate pressures placed on them by administration, both of which are heavily influenced by lack of money (among many other things). Again, while we obviously don't want to throw money at a broken system, taking money out of it isn't the solution either.
Starting teachers with only a B.Sc. in the district where my wife treats start around $42k/yr.
But remember, the year is like 1380 hours. That's about $30/hr or equivalent to $60k/yr on a standard 2000 hr man-year.
Not bad, not great.
And while openings for lower-education jobs get flooded literally with thousands of applications, those in math and science offer bonuses because the bulk of the existing population, let alone graduating kids, are too stupid to be able to understand geometry or calculus in a practical manner.
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