Update: Mobil 1 Group III

[brucelee]

"Mobil, and ExxonMobil, have never touted PAO over Group III. As a manufacturer of Group III, PAO, and Group V lubricants (including polyolesters, alkalyated napthalenes, and some you may have never heard of), ExxonMobil touts results, not chemical profiles or spec sheets"

OK, that is the biggest ________ you have ever posted here Mickey.

You clearly work for EM.

 

[427Z06]

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Mobil, and ExxonMobil, have never touted PAO over Group III.

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What Da'...?

From EOM website:

http://www.exxonmobilsynthetics.com/Publ..._Sales_FAQs.asp


How are Group II and Group III base stocks different from Group IV (PAO) stocks?

Group II and Group III base stocks are enhanced mineral oils that are manufactured by a refining and extraction process which partially removes undesirable molecules that are present in the feed. In contrast, Group IV (PAO) base stocks are chemically synthesized and therefore, do not contain undesirable species.
Group II base stocks may be made by hydrotreating, hydrocracking or combinations of solvent processing and hydrogen processing. They have 80 -120 VI with more than 90% saturates and less than or equal to 0.03% sulfur. Group III base stocks are manufactured by hydrocracking and isomerizing slack wax. They generally have more than or equal to 120 VI with more than or equal to 90% saturates and less than or equal to 0.03% sulfur.



What percentage of synthetic engine oils is PAO and Group V base stocks (ester and other synthetics)?

Fully synthetic engine oils generally contain 70% to 80% PAO, 5% to 10 % Group V base stocks and the remaining portion are additives. However, some engine oil marketers have elected to use higher ratios.

 

[ekpolk]

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No, Mobil didn't "tout" PAO over G-III, they just dragged Castrol through a long arbitration over whether or not G-III could be called "synthetic" all the while promoting the sanctity of their image as the maker of "real" synthetics.

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The use of terms like "dragged" and "sanctity" indicates you have an axe to grind and little or no actual knowledge of what took place.

Unlike Chevron, which actually sued Texaco over their advertising on their gasoline additives, Mobil asked for a clarification from a division of the Better Business Bureau as to whether or not Group III could be termed "synthetic".

Castrol's position was upheld and Mobil's was not.

That was the end of it.

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Having twisted, clipped, and tortured G-Man's statements, you take issue with my word choice. But my word choice isn't the issue -- EM's behavior is. So, why are we trying to deflect attention from that??? By the way, I do know very well what happened. Castrol didn't invite themselves to that arbitration. You think the Castrol execs woke up one morning and said, "Gee, let's go arbitrate something for the fun of it"??? Pick a different verb if you like, but you can't hide what was going on.

That was the "end" of it??? You gotta be kidding -- the sore is still festering today, as evidenced by this very discussion.

 

[Lonnie]

Again, has anyone though of passing the hat and finding out for sure?

 

[427Z06]

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I am reasonably sure that most of the overheated proponents of PAO over Group III can't provide a single example of the superiority of one over the other.

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I'm starting to get a get whiff of arrogance.

 

[abimanyu]

Do companies like exxonmobil need to increase their profit? How many times do we have get raped in order for them to make $300,000 million a year in sales?

 

[427Z06]

Ever noticed who's missing from the list?

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

 

[Shannow]

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The fact that the feedstock used to formulate PAO is a natural hydrocarbon derived from processing crude does not mean you "start with crude" ...

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It does mean you start with crude.

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If you start with coal, air and water, gasify it to syngas, and build yourself the EXACT molecule that you want out of the resultant CO and H2, then it's a synthetic.

If you take a piece of wax, and start lopping off the bits that you don't like, yes, you've changed the molecule but it's not synthesising a molecule.

 

[Jonny Z]

Let's call it MMO.
Mobil Mystery Oil

 

[Shannow]

LOL

 

[badtlc]

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Ever noticed who's missing from the list?

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

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BP? Amoco? Walmart? Sams? Hyvee? kostco?

 

[427Z06]

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Let's call it MMO.
Mobil Mystery Oil

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[ekpolk]

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Ever noticed who's missing from the list?

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

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BP? Amoco? Walmart? Sams? Hyvee? kostco?

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Don't forget Citgo's Hugo-swill, and of course -- Exxon-Mobil. . . Top-tier is so common now (Chevron, Shell, Tex, Conoco, etc) that I'm not buying anything from EM any more!

 

[Quickbeam]

XOM mislead the public? Nah, they'd never do that

http://tinyurl.com/uutg7

 

[Mickey_M]

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OK, that is the biggest ________ you have ever posted here Mickey.

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This appears to more a religion than a quest for a good motor oil for your car.

I know the sports teams I root for, but I don't genuflect when I take my seat at the stadium.


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[ekpolk]

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. . . I know the sports teams I root for, but I don't genuflect when I take my seat at the stadium.
-- Mickey M

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OK, I can grant you that, but you certainly do genuflect at the feet of the mighty Exxon-Mobil.

In your view, has EM ever done anything at all even slightly wrong? I mean, putting your series of posts together, EM actually makes Mother Theresa look dirty and corrupt. . .

 

[Mickey_M]

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If you start with coal, air and water, gasify it to syngas, and build yourself the EXACT molecule that you want out of the resultant CO and H2, then it's a synthetic.

If you take a piece of wax, and start lopping off the bits that you don't like, yes, you've changed the molecule but it's not synthesising a molecule.

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That was already decided some years ago in the US. You may wish your personal definition had been adopted, but it was not.



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[brucelee]

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OK, that is the biggest ________ you have ever posted here Mickey.

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This appears to more a religion than a quest for a good motor oil for your car.




I know the sports teams I root for, but I don't genuflect when I take my seat at the stadium.


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Actually you worship at the house of EM.

Come towards the light!