Uninsured motorist rant

I agree with what your saying - but you can't fight city hall. So what is viable plan B?

Here your required to carry Uninsured / underinsured liability. So I am legally obligated to insure people that are driving illegally? How is this even legal. Yes it is likely not - but you can't fight city hall.
Underinsured is not required in SC however by not getting that coverage you are screwed if someone damages you. I get it but you're not really insuring them, you are protecting yourself by carrying something like 250/500 for uninsured and underinsured.

Agree the world isn't fair but how many people can you put in a jail for these types of infractions?
 
Good post and I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I would be willing to bet, even those who have insurance that they carry the state min which is completely useless if someone is hurt. One day in a hospital can exceed the coverage of a states require minimum .
Understanding the policy is key. However, the terms change every year. Often not in the policy holders favor.

With my wife's injury, we learned that despite our high coverage limits, the ins company only covers $10K personal injury, and only $2,500 if you don't ride in the ambulance. Holy mother of God that's a joke.
 
Underinsured is not required in SC however by not getting that coverage you are screwed if someone damages you. I get it but you're not really insuring them, you are protecting yourself by carrying something like 250/500 for uninsured and underinsured.

Agree the world isn't fair but how many people can you put in a jail for these types of infractions?
OK, I stand corrected but you still need uninsured.

Also the state minimum hasn't been increased since 2007 - its $25K / $50K - barely enough to cover a well appointed Camry let alone injury.

Yet the legislature had time to pass a law saying cell phones can't be used by students in school (even though it was encouraged in Covid) and that if teachers don't enforce the state law they can loose there teaching license. Rather than leave this to local school boards.

Its all about something other than public safety. Many people are in jail for far less.
 
Underinsured is not required in SC however by not getting that coverage you are screwed if someone damages you. I get it but you're not really insuring them, you are protecting yourself by carrying something like 250/500 for uninsured and underinsured.

Agree the world isn't fair but how many people can you put in a jail for these types of infractions?
No one goes to jail it seems. Especially in the the last 6 years. I have no idea why either.............
 
...... and all that happens to him for driving illegally is he gets a ticket.
Given what you've told us, that's all he would get at the scene; true. What did you want? For the police to hold him down while you mercilessly beat him in a punitive manner to feel satisfaction?

The system is broken.
I cannot say with 100% certainty about the laws in PA, but I suspect they are similar to most other states.
- You have the ability to sue him civilly. Have his wages garnished, etc.
- You have the ability to attach a financial loss claim to him by filing a complaint with the court. (This is different from the civil suit above).
- You have the ability to show up when he appears in court for the ticket, and speak as the injured party when it comes time to any judgement from the bench so that the judge understands the chaos the other guy created and perhaps "adjust" the fine(s) accordingly.
- You have the ability to contact your local LE jurisdiction and advocate for stricter enforcement and less leniency for those who are caught driving w/o insurance.
- You have the ability to call your "representatives" and lobby for stricter laws and greater consequences.
The system isn't broken. The system is misunderstood and underutilized by most.


Don't get me wrong; I know it sucks. It happened to my son; he had a car totaled by a nefarious dirtbag. But he followed several of the steps above and actually got restitution, albeit months after the event.
 
How is this even possible?
well, you and i probably live in an OK part of town, ill bet they are including the not so good sides of town.....and rightfully so. I also drive carefully hahaha......but i can drive though, where many of the mentioned folks cannot, as witness to the supreme condition of their whips.

14% does seem a bit high though.
Given what you've told us, that's all he would get at the scene; true. What did you want? For the police to hold him down while you mercilessly beat him in a punitive manner to feel satisfaction?
I am not seeing a problem here. :ROFLMAO:
 
What did you want? For the police to hold him down while you mercilessly beat him in a punitive manner to feel satisfaction?
I like the way you think!

In all seriousness however, not a LEO problem, a legislative problem.
Don't get me wrong; I know it sucks. It happened to my son; he had a car totaled by a nefarious dirtbag. But he followed several of the steps above and actually got restitution, albeit months after the event.
The problem with this is it put the lawbreaking problem back on the individual and the civil courts, for what should be a misdemeanor crime. The simplest solution would be to use the database of uninsured cars (the insurance companies are required to report cancellations) and have them impounded / towed and an additional civil penalty assessed before the impound lot can release. If even a small number were found, word would get around. Every cruiser here has the ability to auto read plates already, and LEO's patrol these neighborhoods anyway so they could have an easily accessible list - technology wins again!
 
I like the way you think!

In all seriousness however, not a LEO problem, a legislative problem.

The problem with this is it put the lawbreaking problem back on the individual and the civil courts, for what should be a misdemeanor crime. The simplest solution would be to use the database of uninsured cars (the insurance companies are required to report cancellations) and have them impounded / towed and an additional civil penalty assessed before the impound lot can release. If even a small number were found, word would get around. Every cruiser here has the ability to auto read plates already, and LEO's patrol these neighborhoods anyway so they could have an easily accessible list - technology wins again!
Great ideas, but here in Vegas, the unlicensed and uninsured drive unregistered cars with a fake paper tag on the windshield. Code readers are incapable of triggering on these cars since there is no license plate. It takes a manual stop by Metro to verify the tag, and with their current workload and the number of unregistered cars that isn't feasible.
If you want to solve those make it a felony to drive without two of the three things required. No insurance and no licence, go to jail.
 
I have concluded no one in power cares about those of us that follow the rules and were just here to pay the bills.
I think it's more shocking that many are just figuring this out because good people have spent their entire lives being good and were almost never confronted with a bad situation because they were always ... good. Unfortunately, following the rules doesn't seem to pay off, while braking them will one hundred percent land you in trouble.
 
South Carolina started printing temporary 45 day tags on card stock immediately on registration. The number is entered in the database. No more "applied for" tags So maybe there is hope for us here yet.
 
I like the way you think!

In all seriousness however, not a LEO problem, a legislative problem.

The problem with this is it put the lawbreaking problem back on the individual and the civil courts, for what should be a misdemeanor crime. The simplest solution would be to use the database of uninsured cars (the insurance companies are required to report cancellations) and have them impounded / towed and an additional civil penalty assessed before the impound lot can release. If even a small number were found, word would get around. Every cruiser here has the ability to auto read plates already, and LEO's patrol these neighborhoods anyway so they could have an easily accessible list - technology wins again!
100% disagree

a parked vehicle does not require insurance or a tag. your idea is going down the wrong road
 
100% disagree

a parked vehicle does not require insurance or a tag. your idea is going down the wrong road
If you let your insurance expire you are supposed to surrender your tag - before it expires in fact. Civil penalty if you do not. Here at least.

So now if there driving they can be pulled over for no tags at least.

I will go down whatever road ends this problem - but OK. Install camera's at all the choke points and park a LEO to dispatch on each trigger. Same net affect.
 
I was rearended years ago by an illegal alien. I know this because he told me as he handed me a little cash. (Like $50 or so). He then just took off.

Now they don't even need to jam. Trying to fix the system but people stand in the way.

No license, no registration, no insurance, in the country illegally, and very often DUI. If it involves a fatality, they seem to be able to flee the country to avoid prosecution.

I knew a police officer who was hit and killed by an illegal alien. He was arrested, but due to protests that he be allowed to be out on bail to "prepare his defense" an idiot let him out of jail. He of course immediately fled back to his home country. No justice for the officers wife and daughters, or the citizens who lost a good police officer.

RIP, Mike

https://www.odmp.org/officer/15425-police-officer-michael-j-dunman
 
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No license, no registration, no insurance, in the country illegally, and very often DUI. If it involves a fatality, they seem to be able to flee the country to avoid prosecution.

I knew a police officer who was hit and killed by an illegal alien. He was arrested, but due to protests that he be allowed to be out on bail to "prepare his defense" an idiot let him out of jail. He of course immediately fled back to his home country. No justice for the officers wife and daughters, or the citizens who lost a good police officer.

RIP, Mike

https://www.odmp.org/officer/15425-police-officer-michael-j-dunman
But but but due process
 
100% disagree

a parked vehicle does not require insurance or a tag. your idea is going down the wrong road
In CA if your car is parked on a public road it requires current tags. Dunno if they can check insurance.
Officer can tow if he/she finds reason to do so. Then you need current tags and proof of insurance to retrieve your car.

Lotta cars go bye-bye that way...
 
In CA if your car is parked on a public road it requires current tags. Dunno if they can check insurance.
Officer can tow if he/she finds reason to do so. Then you need current tags and proof of insurance to retrieve your car.

Lotta cars go bye-bye that way...
Driving w/o insurance and/or a valid DL should make cars go bye bye too. While the offender does time in jail for driving w/o insurance his/her car gets auctioned or junked as part of the penalty, the revenue generated goes to the state. If there's a note on the car the owner is still on the hook for the loan. No exceptions for first time offenders....
 
Driving w/o insurance and/or a valid DL should make cars go bye bye too. While the offender does time in jail for driving w/o insurance his/her car gets auctioned or junked as part of the penalty, the revenue generated goes to the state. If there's a note on the car the owner is still on the hook for the loan. No exceptions for first time offenders....
It's a complicated problem. Your solution would help some things and hurt others. Beyond that, I am no angel; I've driven many thousands of miles illegally one way or another.
 
In CA if your car is parked on a public road it requires current tags. Dunno if they can check insurance.
Officer can tow if he/she finds reason to do so. Then you need current tags and proof of insurance to retrieve your car.

Lotta cars go bye-bye that way...
understood.

but CA has a lot wrong ..... no offense.
 
It's a complicated problem. Your solution would help some things and hurt others. Beyond that, I am no angel; I've driven many thousands of miles illegally one way or another.
My solution will help more than hurt. Something has to be done, it's getting out of hand. In order to finance a car you have to have full coverage, the second that coverage is removed prior to the loan being paid off the bank is notified. Then at that point the bank should immediately trigger a repo and get it off the road, no if ands or buts. With cars that are paid off, what I wrote regarding that should hold true. I'm sick of paying for other people's problems.
 
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