Uninsured add $900 to health premiums-study
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Well, the fact is that the US doesn't have national health care.
But, in typical US "let's outdo everyone else" fashion, we have something even better.
INTERNATIONAL health care.
But, in typical US "let's outdo everyone else" fashion, we have something even better.
INTERNATIONAL health care.
10 years ago it probably was. Now it's a Virginia, Maryland, New York, North Carolina, just-to-name-a-few problem.
Recently, Virginia passed a bill, with overwhelming support from both the state senate and the house of delegates, to deny public aid to illegal aliens over the age of 18. The bill, and the support that it got, are both evidence that is IS a problem in Virginia.
According to several studies on illegal aliens, they cost taxpayers $50,000 per person in law enforcement, medical services, and all the things they get, not including the jobs they cost americans.
We are one of the few countries that allow citizenship based on running across the border and having a kid. Do that most anywhere else in the world and they shrug their shoulders and invite you to go back home.
Dan
We are one of the few countries that allow citizenship based on running across the border and having a kid. Do that most anywhere else in the world and they shrug their shoulders and invite you to go back home.
Dan
Dave Chapelle presented a great solution on a skit on his show.
Fake Canadian ID's for every US citizen = the solution to our healthcare problems
Fake Canadian ID's for every US citizen = the solution to our healthcare problems
If I understand correctly,here in my part of the state,they actually go out in a small motorhome and look for Hispanic children.I have actually seen the motorhome out on the backroads.
This is done for educational purposes.
Little Billy cant read but a Hispanic child has them looking for them.
Dont get me wrong,if they come here legally like they are supposed to,that is one thing but when they are here working of farms,we have a pretty good shot that they are here illegally and with a false ID and or drivers license.
They then go and sign up for SSI and welfare and get this stuff.
I dont know how true it is but I read that a foreign person can get SSI because of their language barrier,they cant read,speak or understand English so they get it.
This just isnt right.
This is done for educational purposes.
Little Billy cant read but a Hispanic child has them looking for them.
Dont get me wrong,if they come here legally like they are supposed to,that is one thing but when they are here working of farms,we have a pretty good shot that they are here illegally and with a false ID and or drivers license.
They then go and sign up for SSI and welfare and get this stuff.
I dont know how true it is but I read that a foreign person can get SSI because of their language barrier,they cant read,speak or understand English so they get it.
This just isnt right.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States ...."
Amendment 14, Section 1, Constitution of the United States.
This can be changed, enough people just have to make a big enough stink.
Around here, our governor, who is oft mentioned as a 2008 presidential contender, thinks illegal aliens should get educational scholarships. I am afraid our elected leaders just don't get it.
The bolded portion is the subject of debate as to whether the 14th amendment applies to the children of illegal aliens.
Is the bolded portion merely a restatement of that which preceded it, ie, born or naturalized in the United States or is it intended to mean something additional?
The solution for Mexico's healthcare problems is called EMTALA, or the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.
Beats me, I'm no historian.
The 14th amendment was adopted after the civil war for the benefit of former slaves and the language you question was possibly intended to limit citizenship to those former slaves who actually stayed in the United States as opposed to those who expatriated to the caribbean or Liberia or some where else, but I'm really just guessing.
I don't see any serious argument being made that children who are born here of illegals are anything other than citizens.
The 14th amendment was adopted after the civil war for the benefit of former slaves and the language you question was possibly intended to limit citizenship to those former slaves who actually stayed in the United States as opposed to those who expatriated to the caribbean or Liberia or some where else, but I'm really just guessing.
I don't see any serious argument being made that children who are born here of illegals are anything other than citizens.
The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was added during Senate debate. During the debate, the authors discussed in great detail their purpose and intentions in adding the requirement that a person be born, not just in the United States, but “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Sen. Howard, sponsor and author of the Citizenship Clause, when questioned about the meaning of “jurisdiction,” responded that the phrase was intended to be read as meaning “not owing allegiance to anybody else.” Sen. Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, described persons who “are not subject to our jurisdiction in the sense of owing allegiance solely to the United States.” Chairman Trumbull noted that even “partial allegiance if you please, to some other government” is sufficient to disqualify a person under the jurisdiction requirement.
http://www.cfau.org/hamdi/amicusmerits.htm
http://www.cfau.org/hamdi/amicusmerits.htm
I get paid health insurance through my employer.
Too bad I can't afford the hefty deductables and co-pays that go along with it. Lose-lose.
Too bad I can't afford the hefty deductables and co-pays that go along with it. Lose-lose.
I was very active in the movement to curtail/eliminate illegal invasion of the USA, for 9 long years.
Mucho research on the subject.
Couple facts..... 66% of births in Los Angelas County a few years back (info slow to be released) were to illegals and virtually all at taxpayer expense.
Around 26% of federal prison inmates are illegals, incarcerated for serious crimes, not for being illegal.
I wish I could find the opinion article written 15 or so years ago. The learned writer gave his opinion regarding the high cost of medical care.
He showed how the invovlement of the federal government artificially inflated costs. He told of how things were when the parents kicked over $50 for the hospital to deliver a kid. He then showed how that cost grew far far far far faster then inflation due to governmental policies.
The guy made a lot of sense. He told of actual government policies, systems, bureaucracies, etc. affecting costs; forcing them to rise.
He also told of a "power pyramid" with nurses and doctors at the bottom and, at the top, a "business suit class" that never touches a patient that skims off enormous sums of money.
Currently, I hear of a few doctors who do not accept insurance. All payments are cash, either the full amount or, payments accepted with many docs shunning interest on the amount due. The savings from not dealing with paperwork, rules, regulations of insurance firms etc. etc. results in large savings.
Mucho research on the subject.
Couple facts..... 66% of births in Los Angelas County a few years back (info slow to be released) were to illegals and virtually all at taxpayer expense.
Around 26% of federal prison inmates are illegals, incarcerated for serious crimes, not for being illegal.
I wish I could find the opinion article written 15 or so years ago. The learned writer gave his opinion regarding the high cost of medical care.
He showed how the invovlement of the federal government artificially inflated costs. He told of how things were when the parents kicked over $50 for the hospital to deliver a kid. He then showed how that cost grew far far far far faster then inflation due to governmental policies.
The guy made a lot of sense. He told of actual government policies, systems, bureaucracies, etc. affecting costs; forcing them to rise.
He also told of a "power pyramid" with nurses and doctors at the bottom and, at the top, a "business suit class" that never touches a patient that skims off enormous sums of money.
Currently, I hear of a few doctors who do not accept insurance. All payments are cash, either the full amount or, payments accepted with many docs shunning interest on the amount due. The savings from not dealing with paperwork, rules, regulations of insurance firms etc. etc. results in large savings.
Anyone born in this country regardelss of the status of their parents. That's the problem, it's a big lure that encourages illegals to give birth in this country.
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But there is ...or has been for a very long time. You're looking at the "free lunch" from the demand side ...but ignoring the free lunch from the supply side.
For decades medicine has been an unthrottled honeybucket economically. I saw the big evolutions in ..let's say ...MRI ..when the machines first got installed. The government started regulating how many machines were going to be put in a given metropolitain area. Hopsitals competed for the devices since it "enabled" further revenue generation.
The thing is ...competition ..or rather having higher numbers of medical practicianers in a given region doesn't lower medical costs.....it has traditionally raised them. The reactive compensatory action was to limit costs of procedures ...which was countered by expanded lists of mandated proceedures.
We've had many evolutions in what constitutes adaquate medical care (testing and whatnot) ..but you've NEVER seen a procedure go down in price EVER ...regardless of whatever normal "economy of use" is employed. Medicine has, so far, been able to turn it's nose up to the normal market forces that dictate the rest of our economy. They still spend needless millions for facilities that could cost less...they're still monuments to some delusional humanistic platitude of benevolence.
You don't see HP offering a discounted ER monitor simply because there's not as much money available for such items. You see "well the cost went up per bed in ER's partially because of new equipment costs".
It's a game of raise the bridge or lower the river. Basically it's a true nation wide "Pontius Pilate" in terms of reasonable, sensible, economics.
Motorguy, I'll bet that the holter monitor's results were inconclusive and the the doctor will want a stress test.
In New York? I thought this was only a Southwestern problem.
An employer-based mandatory system or tax to "opt out" will not help when so many of the illegals work "under the table".
I also have a question for the ones that think a healthy, educated population is the responsibility of the central government. Exactly where in the Constitution does it state that the Federal government has the authority to fund or even regulate education and medicine?
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