A few months back there was a story about UAW workers (at a Chrysler plant,I think) caught on tape smoking weed and drinking at lunchtime. Does anybody know the outcome or where this case is at? Have they been fired? Are they being defended by the UAW?
UAW workers caught smoking weed and drinking beer.
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I think they are now senators. John--Las Vegas.
Looks like most of them were fired:
Fox News, Sept. 27, 2010
"It has been determined that 13 employees engaged in behavior that violated the company's Standards of Conduct and these 13 employees were discharged today," the company said in a written statement, MyFoxDetroit.com reported. "Two remaining employees will receive a one month disciplinary layoff without pay."
Fox News, Sept. 27, 2010
"It has been determined that 13 employees engaged in behavior that violated the company's Standards of Conduct and these 13 employees were discharged today," the company said in a written statement, MyFoxDetroit.com reported. "Two remaining employees will receive a one month disciplinary layoff without pay."
It was never in debate that they had performed inappropriately, but it has to be investigated before they can be terminated.
And for the record, workers at ANY auto plant, not just UAW run ones, smoke weed, drink beer, etc etc. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, wherever.
And for the record, workers at ANY auto plant, not just UAW run ones, smoke weed, drink beer, etc etc. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, wherever.
Originally Posted By: Torino
I think they are now senators. John--Las Vegas.
They got promoted!
I think they are now senators. John--Las Vegas.
They got promoted!
Originally Posted By: Nick R
It was never in debate that they had performed inappropriately, but it has to be investigated before they can be terminated.
And for the record, workers at ANY auto plant, not just UAW run ones, smoke weed, drink beer, etc etc. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, wherever.
Maybe they need better drug testing and hiring practices?
It was never in debate that they had performed inappropriately, but it has to be investigated before they can be terminated.
And for the record, workers at ANY auto plant, not just UAW run ones, smoke weed, drink beer, etc etc. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, wherever.
Maybe they need better drug testing and hiring practices?
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I'm sorry, but this ISN'T 'beating a dead horse' - this is a serious issue, and I'm glad the OP asked what ever became of this situation.
Or maybe you don't want people discussing it b/c they'll catch on to what YOU'RE doing at work???
(I kid, I kid!)
I'm sorry, but this ISN'T 'beating a dead horse' - this is a serious issue, and I'm glad the OP asked what ever became of this situation.
Or maybe you don't want people discussing it b/c they'll catch on to what YOU'RE doing at work???
(I kid, I kid!)
There is a drug test before being hired. Of course someone knowing they are going for a job can stay dry long enough to pass the test I am sure.
In a crowd of more than a thousand people you know that some of those people are going to be like that, users. But, to do it while on break from work, that takes a special kind of stupid, like Jerry Springer Show kinda stupid.
I'm glad they got fired.
Steve
In a crowd of more than a thousand people you know that some of those people are going to be like that, users. But, to do it while on break from work, that takes a special kind of stupid, like Jerry Springer Show kinda stupid.
I'm glad they got fired.
Steve
Glad the company did this but, was surprised that the Union didn't object and take it to court.
How about the case recently where someone reported that a snow plow driver had somehow managed to hook his plow on her house and was tearing it apart, and when the police arrived they arrested him for DWI--oh, and he had his young daughter in the truck with him in her car seat.
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Glad the company did this but, was surprised that the Union didn't object and take it to court.
Maybe that means that the talk of unions only defending the lazy aren't 100% accurate?
My Dad was a union member and a close friend of his was a griever for the local so he heard a lot about things going on. Believe it or not, there actually are things that a worker will do, get busted, try to file a grievance over and the union will say "come on, you know we can't defend THAT."
Glad the company did this but, was surprised that the Union didn't object and take it to court.
Maybe that means that the talk of unions only defending the lazy aren't 100% accurate?
My Dad was a union member and a close friend of his was a griever for the local so he heard a lot about things going on. Believe it or not, there actually are things that a worker will do, get busted, try to file a grievance over and the union will say "come on, you know we can't defend THAT."
I grew up in a town with a UAW staffed GM assembly plant. I can tell you that having a "liquid lunch" was the culture during the 70's and 80's. Bars were just across the street. At least a couple of 'em were even owned by GM retirees.
Things began to tighten up in the early 90's. But one could imagine the link between this lax behavior and the resulting poor quality of the era.
And no, I'm not just singling out the guy on the line. GM management/union leadership should have cared more about the working atmosphere and in maintaining conditions that would put out the best end product.
Things began to tighten up in the early 90's. But one could imagine the link between this lax behavior and the resulting poor quality of the era.
And no, I'm not just singling out the guy on the line. GM management/union leadership should have cared more about the working atmosphere and in maintaining conditions that would put out the best end product.
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Glad the company did this but, was surprised that the Union didn't object and take it to court.
Maybe that means that the talk of unions only defending the lazy aren't 100% accurate?
My Dad was a union member and a close friend of his was a griever for the local so he heard a lot about things going on. Believe it or not, there actually are things that a worker will do, get busted, try to file a grievance over and the union will say "come on, you know we can't defend THAT."
It IS a different day. There are some thing about the UAW that people just will not be able to complain about anymore, and I know they will miss being able to do that.
Steve
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Glad the company did this but, was surprised that the Union didn't object and take it to court.
Maybe that means that the talk of unions only defending the lazy aren't 100% accurate?
My Dad was a union member and a close friend of his was a griever for the local so he heard a lot about things going on. Believe it or not, there actually are things that a worker will do, get busted, try to file a grievance over and the union will say "come on, you know we can't defend THAT."
It IS a different day. There are some thing about the UAW that people just will not be able to complain about anymore, and I know they will miss being able to do that.
Steve
They probably got promoted.
I also don't think it's beating a dead horse.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
Lunch time is for eating - smoking & drinking is for break times.
Originally Posted By: pbm
I also don't think it's beating a dead horse.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
Soooo...Now that you have been informed that they have been fired, does the recent investment matter?
And really, how do you make the huge leap from a few stoners to whether or not massive investment at home is meaningful? Do you think these few bad apples represent the average employee at GM or Ford or Chrysler? Maybe back in the seventies, that was a downright militant time in the UAW...but things have changed, for the better and by a wide margin.
I also don't think it's beating a dead horse.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
Soooo...Now that you have been informed that they have been fired, does the recent investment matter?
And really, how do you make the huge leap from a few stoners to whether or not massive investment at home is meaningful? Do you think these few bad apples represent the average employee at GM or Ford or Chrysler? Maybe back in the seventies, that was a downright militant time in the UAW...but things have changed, for the better and by a wide margin.
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: pbm
I also don't think it's beating a dead horse.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
Soooo...Now that you have been informed that they have been fired, does the recent investment matter?
And really, how do you make the huge leap from a few stoners to whether or not massive investment at home is meaningful? Do you think these few bad apples represent the average employee at GM or Ford or Chrysler? Maybe back in the seventies, that was a downright militant time in the UAW...but things have changed, for the better and by a wide margin.
Yup, you only have to ask GMBoy, who is a MANAGER in the UAW at GMs Arlington Assembly. A respected, and very smart member of this website.
Originally Posted By: pbm
I also don't think it's beating a dead horse.
I ask because there were several posts today (by the same poster) informing us of how much GM is investing in it's American plants etc...
If GM (and the other domestic makers)
can not fire these types because the UOA is defending them then
it really doesn't matter how much they invest in American plants.
Soooo...Now that you have been informed that they have been fired, does the recent investment matter?
And really, how do you make the huge leap from a few stoners to whether or not massive investment at home is meaningful? Do you think these few bad apples represent the average employee at GM or Ford or Chrysler? Maybe back in the seventies, that was a downright militant time in the UAW...but things have changed, for the better and by a wide margin.
Yup, you only have to ask GMBoy, who is a MANAGER in the UAW at GMs Arlington Assembly. A respected, and very smart member of this website.
I've heard that this sort of behavior is common at the KC plant. Worked with more than one security guard that transfered from there. Much to their delight! I guess this explains all the problems I'd had with chevy vehicles.. guess I could say that about all the UAW build vehicles I've had!
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