I'm interested to hear how you think my rights were violated.
Tyreek Hill detainment
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Wonderful, now a third source with contradictory information.
People think end justifies means until it affects them.
This case exemplifies the reason the Supremes ruled against extending traffic stops - to keep egos from escalating things for no reason and no public good. Which is exactly what we got here. Someone drove too fast down an empty street, and someone's feelings were hurt. Issue a ticket and move on.
BTW - there were Five officers involved. Five.
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One time I got pulled over in Nebraska for going 3 over in a construction zone. The Nebraska cars were doing about 10 over. There were 2 troopers and 1 news crew (a reporter and a camera guy).
He trooper that came to my window informed me I was going three over in a construction zone and that I would receive a written warning if all my paperwork checked out. I calmly answered his questions and waited for him to come back to the car. The news crew got several minutes of my arm resting on the window sill, as they were standing behind me. When he got back to my window, he politely explained my ticket to me and he and the news crew walked back to their cars. The trooper walked back to my window after the news crew got out of ear shot and smiled and said, "Thanks for being a good sport about the news crew". I kinda chuckled and said, "They probably didn't get anything news worthy". We both went on our merry way.
Sounds like a staged event, i.e. a news segment on "speeding in construction zones", and that's the only reason there were 2 officers.
Completely staged.
The most amazing part of the whole things is I was able to keep my then wife from running her mouth and getting me a real ticket.
The window was not closed when the officer pulled Hill out of the car.
Hill had given them his paperwork.
By the way, you could see through the window.
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But rolling back up and refusing to lower???
A detainment and being taken into custody are generally two different things. If you were not allowed to leave until he figured out what was going on, you were indeed detained. I would consider being cuffed a detainment. He could have even put you in the back seat of his patrol car (cuffed or not) and it would still just be a detainment as long he didn't remove you from the area.
How can you get a speeding ticked based on a "visual observation"? That won't hold up in court.
I’ll keep this in mind for next time I get pulled over and fail to follow lawful orders.
Tyreek Hill now wants 27-year veteran officer Danny Torres fired immeadiatly. No due process: Hill's attorney, Julius Collins, released a statement on Hill's behalf Tuesday night demanding the "immediate termination" of the "escalating officer" who was placed on administrative leave as a result of Sunday's incident.
Contrast Tyreek Hill with Scottie Scheffler who was recently arrested. Scheffler never went after any of the cops, and cooperated fully with them. Scheffler kept his composure the whole time and reassured everyone its just a mistake, it will work out. Thats exactly how decent human beings react.
Contrast Tyreek Hill with Scottie Scheffler who was recently arrested. Scheffler never went after any of the cops, and cooperated fully with them. Scheffler kept his composure the whole time and reassured everyone its just a mistake, it will work out. Thats exactly how decent human beings react.
A decent human being would not jerk someone out of his car and throw him to the asphalt over a partially opened window.
Good Police Officers diffuse a dangerous situation; this guy created one.
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Rural TX, early 1980's. I was a broke college student driving a $300 car I just bought. A throughly rusted out Plymouth Volare. I go to the tax office and get my new plates and install them. One week later on I-10 in rural Chambers Co. I drive along happily then a sherriff starts tailgating me. Unnerving to be a car length behind me at highway speeds. Lights come on. I signal and ease over. I don't know why I am stopped.
In a blink the red faced crazy cop gets out screaming at me like a maniac to "show my hands" with his pistol pointed right at me. I am terrified. I put my hands up begging the cop to not shoot me. I tell him I'll do whatever he says, but PLEASE don't shoot me, I haven't done anything.
After making me turn around and lean over the hood he looks inside my car, see nothing. Starts demanding to know "where my weapon is". I tell him I am totally unarmed. I have nothing. No weapon, no drugs, no alcohol, nothing. Then he starts screaming at me demanding where did I steal the car from? I tell him I just bought it, I have reciepts and everything. Then he starts screaming at me demanding "so where did I steal the plates from?" I told him I paid for them at the Tax Office. He screamed at me LIAR!!!
He leans over me demanding I tell him "so why don't the plates match the car then"? I tell him I dont know what he means by that. He says the plates belong to a Chevy and I am driving a Plymouth, so explain THAT! I tell him I can't but I did not steal anything. Those were the plates I was given. He cools down a bit and writes me a ticket for "displaying fictious plates" that costs me hundreds. I see the Judge later and despite me being 100% respectful they treated me like trash. Judge demands I (not them) figure out what was wrong with the plates.
I have to drive back to Jeferson Co. tax office and tell them the plates don't work. Computers were in their infancy then, and the clerk ended up mis-keying the plate number in the system when she issued them to me. It was off by just one number. I return to Chambers Co. and see the Judge again. He screams at me when I tell him what happened, and tells me to drive back and get him a written statement from the clerk. He didn't mention that earlier. I did, and finally the ordeal was over.
Point is, despite what I feel was terrible behavior from the cops then, and even with the real possibility they could have ended my life on the side of the road, I kept my cool and stayed respectful throughout the whole thing. Point is, it is possible to do. Do not fight the cops. Don't challenge or provolk them. Comply to their demands, even if they are wrong. Then again, I am not a multi-millionaire NFL diva. Sort it out afterwards. Much easier to do today than it was years ago.
In a blink the red faced crazy cop gets out screaming at me like a maniac to "show my hands" with his pistol pointed right at me. I am terrified. I put my hands up begging the cop to not shoot me. I tell him I'll do whatever he says, but PLEASE don't shoot me, I haven't done anything.
After making me turn around and lean over the hood he looks inside my car, see nothing. Starts demanding to know "where my weapon is". I tell him I am totally unarmed. I have nothing. No weapon, no drugs, no alcohol, nothing. Then he starts screaming at me demanding where did I steal the car from? I tell him I just bought it, I have reciepts and everything. Then he starts screaming at me demanding "so where did I steal the plates from?" I told him I paid for them at the Tax Office. He screamed at me LIAR!!!
He leans over me demanding I tell him "so why don't the plates match the car then"? I tell him I dont know what he means by that. He says the plates belong to a Chevy and I am driving a Plymouth, so explain THAT! I tell him I can't but I did not steal anything. Those were the plates I was given. He cools down a bit and writes me a ticket for "displaying fictious plates" that costs me hundreds. I see the Judge later and despite me being 100% respectful they treated me like trash. Judge demands I (not them) figure out what was wrong with the plates.
I have to drive back to Jeferson Co. tax office and tell them the plates don't work. Computers were in their infancy then, and the clerk ended up mis-keying the plate number in the system when she issued them to me. It was off by just one number. I return to Chambers Co. and see the Judge again. He screams at me when I tell him what happened, and tells me to drive back and get him a written statement from the clerk. He didn't mention that earlier. I did, and finally the ordeal was over.
Point is, despite what I feel was terrible behavior from the cops then, and even with the real possibility they could have ended my life on the side of the road, I kept my cool and stayed respectful throughout the whole thing. Point is, it is possible to do. Do not fight the cops. Don't challenge or provolk them. Comply to their demands, even if they are wrong. Then again, I am not a multi-millionaire NFL diva. Sort it out afterwards. Much easier to do today than it was years ago.
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Scheffler was manhandled. He did not buck the cops. He forgave them.
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