I have been reading about a variety of doctored fuels, ranging from acetone to two stroke oil and I was wondering Amsoil Saber Outboard or HP Injector, which would be more suitable in an extremely lean mix application. People seem to run conventional in 500:1 ratios, and I wonder if it could be run leaner and still have a positive effect. I don't want to foul plugs or a cat.
Any thoughts?
Two-stroke oil in four stroke fuel.
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HP Injector or any other TCW-3 will work fine.
I use RLI Fuel injection cleaner and it not only keeps the injectors clean but it keeps the tops of the engine well lubricated because it's a thick oily fluid. It's similar to Lucas in viscosity, and a superb product IMO.
This honestly makes my cars engine super quiet and it seems to respond much better too. I would highly recommend this instead of using a 2 stroke oil. It costs pennies per fill up because you don't need a lot.
What is interesting though it I spent a total of 23 years working at companies that repair forklifts and the lpg engines which is "dry gas"but then doesn't wash the cyl walls as a gasoline engine with a carb run with the choke on or a bad fuel injector and the engines last longer than gasoline ... But the valves and valve seats are the same gasoline and lpg and seem equal in life? I wonder if the top end really needs lubeing?
What's the goal of adding 2-stroke oil to the fuel? Reduced wear?
Modern EFI systems in good repair do not wash oil off cylinder walls like carbureted vehicles. Combined with higher operating temperatures, better oils, and better matalurgy upper cylinder wear is much, much lower than in older vehicles. Keeping the engine in good tune with a good air cleaner will do more than a little top-end oil.
It's not just the top of the engine, it's the whole fuel system. Your fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel rails, injectors etc... They all benefit from added lubrication. Sure modern fuels do a good enough job on their own, but at BITOG we are all about "better" and using RLI or a TCW3 2 Stroke oil is "better" IMO.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It's not just the top of the engine, it's the whole fuel system. Your fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel rails, injectors etc... They all benefit from added lubrication. Sure modern fuels do a good enough job on their own, but at BITOG we are all about "better" and using RLI or a TCW3 2 Stroke oil is "better" IMO.
2-c is better than UCL, formulation-wise.
I've tried MMO, Lucas, and now TCW3. I didn't like the Lucas product at all, especially the price of it. I feel I have best results with MMO, but I am continuing to experiment with TCW3, and haven't really voided it out yet.
TCW3 is much easier to OD an engine with, and a 500:1 ratio is about the most I'd run. MMO suggests a 320:1 ratio with their product.
In the winter time the engine seems to fire up faster and easier with a little MMO in the gas. I started TCW3 late in the season so I can't comment about winter starts. I also like the idea that a residual coating of oil remains in the cyl, especially for that first start in the morning.
My opinion is that MMO might keep things a little cleaner than TCW3, but TCW3 might offer slightly better compression. Both products are good, and I believe the benefits outweigh any possible dangers, providing you don't use too much of the product.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
What is interesting though it I spent a total of 23 years working at companies that repair forklifts and the lpg engines which is "dry gas"but then doesn't wash the cyl walls as a gasoline engine with a carb run with the choke on or a bad fuel injector and the engines last longer than gasoline ... But the valves and valve seats are the same gasoline and lpg and seem equal in life? I wonder if the top end really needs lubeing?
Very informative thread about the very subject. Long read but very good info.Lot of feedback.
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206
Originally Posted By: peterdes
Originally Posted By: StevieC
It's not just the top of the engine, it's the whole fuel system. Your fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel rails, injectors etc... They all benefit from added lubrication. Sure modern fuels do a good enough job on their own, but at BITOG we are all about "better" and using RLI or a TCW3 2 Stroke oil is "better" IMO.
Two-stroke oil in the fuel it is. Thanks.
Before you start this treatment, run a good fuel system cleaner than contains PEA like Amsoil PI to fully clean the system thoroughly. Then once you have cleaned it, start your treatment to keep things lubricated and clean.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
HP Injector or any other TCW-3 will work fine.
I use RLI Fuel injection cleaner and it not only keeps the injectors clean but it keeps the tops of the engine well lubricated because it's a thick oily fluid. It's similar to Lucas in viscosity, and a superb product IMO.
This honestly makes my cars engine super quiet and it seems to respond much better too. I would highly recommend this instead of using a 2 stroke oil. It costs pennies per fill up because you don't need a lot.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I've tried MMO, Lucas, and now TCW3. I didn't like the Lucas product at all, especially the price of it. I feel I have best results with MMO, but I am continuing to experiment with TCW3, and haven't really voided it out yet.
TCW3 is much easier to OD an engine with, and a 500:1 ratio is about the most I'd run. MMO suggests a 320:1 ratio with their product.
In the winter time the engine seems to fire up faster and easier with a little MMO in the gas. I started TCW3 late in the season so I can't comment about winter starts. I also like the idea that a residual coating of oil remains in the cyl, especially for that first start in the morning.
My opinion is that MMO might keep things a little cleaner than TCW3, but TCW3 might offer slightly better compression. Both products are good, and I believe the benefits outweigh any possible dangers, providing you don't use too much of the product.
Originally Posted By: Mephy
Where did you find RLI Fuel injection cleaner? I live in Toronto area as you
Thanks
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Mephy
Where did you find RLI Fuel injection cleaner? I live in Toronto area as you
Thanks
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Originally Posted By: GrampsintheSand
Very informative thread about the very subject. Long read but very good info.Lot of feedback.
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206
Originally Posted By: GrampsintheSand
Very informative thread about the very subject. Long read but very good info.Lot of feedback.
http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206
Originally Posted By: from ls1.com forums
Yeah but ATF has phosphorus and that kills catalytic converters and is a short term cleaning solution. ATF has no lubricating properties either. This is a long term full spectrum cleaning/lubricating solution.
I'd leave ATF for transmissions, use MMO, Lucas, or TCw3 without any fear.
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