Tundra oddity

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Think I finally figured out how to replicate it. In drive it doesn't do this. But I usually use the "sport" mode and sometimes will upshift when I feel like it. Which often means holding a gear a bit longer than the programming might care for, I'm guessing, as it doesn't always upshift right that second.

Moderate acceleration, at about 2,800rpm, going from 4th to 5th: I click "up", and I can hear the convertor unlock (rpm climbs to 3k also). Wait a second or more... finally it goes into 5th.

For mild acceleration below 2,500rpm, going from 4th to 5th, no problem. It sometimes sounds somewhat sloppy, like maybe things are shifting out of sync on this change; but I have to think I'm listening too hard. If I just put it into drive it really does its thing just fine. [I don't use drive because it has a tendancy to run unlocked on hills, so I will use S6 and drop to S5 when I think it will hunt.] If I just put it into S5 or S6, and let it do its thing, no issues detected.

5kmiles ago I dropped the pan and changed out about 7qt of WS, used Maxlife instead. That was around 78k or 80k on what I think was the original fluid. Changed filter, cleaned the pan--I thought it had little metal in the pan, fluid was a little brown but didn't seem bad compared to what I've seen online. Shifting seemed completely unchanged.

It is almost as if it's a programming problem. I swear, in S4, at times I can hear it act like it's trying to shift into 5th, only to have it... not. Something changed, and then changed back, as it's already in 4th locked.

Anyone else notice?
 
You summed up the problem with automatics right there, when you said 'itI doesn't change up right that second'

You need a normal manual with 3
pedals! Or if you're feeling rich you want a sequential box, you can keep the paddles and it'll change EXACTLY when you want it to.

I hate automatics!
 
Olas, you may wish to note that all automated manuals do not have the same personality.

Mercedes especially comes to mind, as their 7 speed dual clutch auto has been criticized for ignoring paddle commands. Software controlling these is the source of the problem, and it can even vary within the same line based on the specific application.

Both ZF's ubiquitous 8 speed (BMW, Audi, Bentley, Chrysler, and many more) and GM's new 8L90E shift as fast as many automated manuals and are known to be very responsive to the driver's commands...
 
One also cannot buy a new-ish half-ton truck in North America with three pedals. If they did, I probably would have bought one instead. Probably... One downside is that they dropped "granny" low long ago. My idea of backing up a trailer in a tight spot is to go nice and slow--which is brutal on a clutch. Or was in my Jetta, maybe in a real tow vehicle it wouldn't be so bad. Regardless: manuals are something of a dying breed. On this side of the pond anyhow.

I don't care about it changing right this second. It's a big box on wheels, zero driving excitement. What I'm trying to discern is if the programming is wonky or if some solenoid is hanging up.
 
Originally Posted By: Olas
You summed up the problem with automatics right there, when you said 'itI doesn't change up right that second'

You need a normal manual with 3
pedals! Or if you're feeling rich you want a sequential box, you can keep the paddles and it'll change EXACTLY when you want it to.

I hate automatics!




Automatics are not all created equal, either. There are quite a few on the market that do pretty much exactly what they should do. The WA580-based NAG1 formerly used in the Chrysler LX/LC platform vehicles and the Grand Cherokee comes to mind. I'm interested to see how the 8-speed ZF that replaced it performs for myself, but initial comments seem positive. I have a few minor quibbles with the NAG1 in our 2011 JGC with the Pentastar v6, but I suspect a software flash will clean those up as an identical 2013 I've driven behaves slightly differently (less aggressive about getting into a higher gear at low speed). None of them will ALWAYS do EXACTLY what you as a driver would chose, because the computer can't see a quarter mile down the road and anticipate the hill that you can. But what Supton is describing with his Tundra sounds like an outright software bug, not an inherent limitation of automatic transmissions.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
One also cannot buy a new-ish half-ton truck in North America with three pedals. If they did, I probably would have bought one instead. Probably... One downside is that they dropped "granny" low long ago. My idea of backing up a trailer in a tight spot is to go nice and slow--which is brutal on a clutch. Or was in my Jetta, maybe in a real tow vehicle it wouldn't be so bad. Regardless: manuals are something of a dying breed. On this side of the pond anyhow.

I don't care about it changing right this second. It's a big box on wheels, zero driving excitement. What I'm trying to discern is if the programming is wonky or if some solenoid is hanging up.


That can sure be tricky. I have a friend with a Charger who had a slow 2-3 shift in his NAG1 slushbox and it was virtually impossible to get it diagnosed. Everyone just says "rebuild".

And GRANNY is back! Our 6L90E equipped service vans have a 4:1 first gear, it's fantastic for the heavy beasts to get them moving. Plus it's so low that the rear gears are all 3.42 now instead of 3.73 giving a small improvement on the highway.

The 8 speed ZF in the Rams is almost 5:1 in first gear!
 
Those are also automatics.
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Mine is pushing 3.52:1 in first, and 3.22:1 in reverse, against a 4.10:1 rear end, so it's decent, combined with the torque convertor. Much better than the what, 3.2:1? reverse with a clutch in my Jetta against 3.39:1 final.

That is one nice upshot of the >4 speed transmissions, wide overall spread yet no enormous jumps.
 
Dual Clutch transmissions are super responsive .. like manual or better ...
 
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Originally Posted By: Ndx
Dual Clutch transmissions are super responsive .. like manual or better ...

I wonder what it would do backing up a trailer, up a 10% grade, at 3mph?
Probably nothing good...
 
Can this type of problem be corrected by resetting the vehicle computers back to factory default and letting the components re-learn your driving style??

On my vehicle, this can be accomplished by disconnecting the battery or doing a "key turn/gas pedal" procedure.

Just wondering.
 
I just had it suggested to me on a tundra forum. Have not tried that yet.

It'd be nice if it'd just let me pick the gears... Haven't had a prob in twenty years.
 
Originally Posted By: Ndx
Dual Clutch transmissions are super responsive .. like manual or better ...


+++1

I can't paddle shift quicker than my 7 speed dual clutch transmission.

I hope it never breaks.

The AAMCO guys would have a lot of fun with it.
 
I've driven DSG cars and dont like them, feel like an auto with override. I like the box as an idea but no more - and I still fear the day one comes in for repair, I haven't looked inside one yet!

Quaife QBE69G is everything the DSG could/should have been.
And the only time there should be more than one clutch is a multi-plate setup.

I might change my screen-name to Luddite
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