Trying a new oil.... QS DEFY

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I needed an oil filter for the brother in laws ecotec and the cheapest way to get those filters is with an OCI deal at the auto parts store. Since its not my car, the STP filter at autozone will work well. I used the Defy+STP for 18.99. Not a horrible deal for a $8-12 filter and some Defy, which is a full synthetic anyway according to the msds.

I'll be putting this into the Taurus for the infamous timing cover or oil pan leak, as I haven't determined which one since the last time I crawled under it was 10,250 miles ago. Wonder how it will compare to the Edge Ti 0w20.

I wanted a HM oil but one without sodium to make sure my intake gaskets are not leaking again since I had them replaced 15,000mi ago.
 
Originally Posted By: Red91
I don't think it's a full syn, but a good oil nonetheless.


The bottle says a synthetic blend. The MSDS says synthetic base oils with mineral oil only present as an additive carrier.
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
last i saw defy was group II+ and group III .. feel like posting the msds?


Where did you see anything posted Ii+. Does that even exist. I think its a bitog creation and not a real basestock grade or measurement.
But if you've got something that proves otherwise I'd love to see it
 
Ok, so if it is a full syn, what is the point in Utimate Durability? Don't get me wrong, I really like the oil and use it, but why market two synthetics? Maybe it's like Mobil marketing Mobil1 and Mobil Super Syn? I'm quite interested in this.
 
Originally Posted By: Red91
Ok, so if it is a full syn, what is the point in Utimate Durability? Don't get me wrong, I really like the oil and use it, but why market two synthetics? Maybe it's like Mobil marketing Mobil1 and Mobil Super Syn? I'm quite interested in this.


They probably don't want to hurt QSUD sales so they market it as a blend is my guess.
 
An $8-12 STP filter? Those are Fram Ultra prices. Even if that filter normally costs that much, I thought AZ limits the value of the price of a filter in their OC deals and charges you the difference if you need a more expensive filter in the specified brand and line.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Or, we read too much into the MSDS....


It's kinda hard to deny that its a majority synthetic when it's written out the way it is.
 
Originally Posted By: NMBurb02
An $8-12 STP filter? Those are Fram Ultra prices. Even if that filter normally costs that much, I thought AZ limits the value of the price of a filter in their OC deals and charges you the difference if you need a more expensive filter in the specified brand and line.


Cartridge filter $8 STP or $12 Bosch or Fram.
 
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: Garak
Or, we read too much into the MSDS....


It's kinda hard to deny that its a majority synthetic when it's written out the way it is.

Not really. MSDS enforcement wouldn't bat an eye at something like this. Handling of a primarily PAO motor oil is identical to handling a conventional motor oil, even a ND oil. As long as the bottles aren't filled instead with nitroglycerin or radioactive waste, absolutely no one in the enforcement community is going to care.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Where did you see anything posted Ii+. Does that even exist. I think its a bitog creation and not a real basestock grade or measurement.
But if you've got something that proves otherwise I'd love to see it


It was not a BITOG creation. Chevron does a nice job explaining what group II+ is.

"Group II+, though not an official API designation is a term used increasingly to describe Group II stocks of higher VI (110-119) and lower volatility than comparable group II stocks."
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: Garak
Or, we read too much into the MSDS....


It's kinda hard to deny that its a majority synthetic when it's written out the way it is.

Not really. MSDS enforcement wouldn't bat an eye at something like this. Handling of a primarily PAO motor oil is identical to handling a conventional motor oil, even a ND oil. As long as the bottles aren't filled instead with nitroglycerin or radioactive waste, absolutely no one in the enforcement community is going to care.


It still says synthetic oils which are group III and higher. PAO is still a synthetic. If you look at other SOPUS msds they list out the different base oils.

A company can be held liable for listing wrong or not listing hazardous ingredients.
 
Originally Posted By: volk06
A company can be held liable for listing wrong or not listing hazardous ingredients.

I'm well aware of the regulations. I was designated a dangerous goods inspector a number of years back. As I said, I don't care what the MSDS says. Whether it's Group I, II, III, IV, or V, the emergency practices are the same. No one enforcing MSDS regulations is going to be able to determine the base stock of a motor oil being shipped, nor would they care to. As I said, though, if the shipment was of something totally different requiring totally different handling and cleanup procedures, such as gasoline or battery acid, then there'd be a problem.

A hypothetical tanker of Redline tipping, spilling, and/or burning is handled exactly the same way as the same thing happening with a tanker of PYB or ND compressor oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: volk06
A company can be held liable for listing wrong or not listing hazardous ingredients.

I'm well aware of the regulations. I was designated a dangerous goods inspector a number of years back. As I said, I don't care what the MSDS says. Whether it's Group I, II, III, IV, or V, the emergency practices are the same. No one enforcing MSDS regulations is going to be able to determine the base stock of a motor oil being shipped, nor would they care to. As I said, though, if the shipment was of something totally different requiring totally different handling and cleanup procedures, such as gasoline or battery acid, then there'd be a problem.

A hypothetical tanker of Redline tipping, spilling, and/or burning is handled exactly the same way as the same thing happening with a tanker of PYB or ND compressor oil.


Why would a company state synthetic oil with mineral oil present only a additive diluent then? Have you looked at other SOPUS and how they list ingredients?

GHS will really make SDS interesting.
 
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