Trouble at work!

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Jarlaxle,
That's is the truth as I hate to say it.
Thanks everyone,
Dusty



The unfortunate part is as you can see SO many folks replying to your post are telling you. "that a degenerate population and society is something you should get used to". Well I will not let these scum bags bring me down to their level, the only way society will recover is if others speak out when there is bad behavior, in fact I say the main reason why things have become so bad in the USA is because of the fact that today most people will just look the other way when bad or outrageous behavior is in progress. This is NOT the case in ALL other nations.

Probably the worst thing to happen to the USA is the imposition of the multicultural agenda, and the there is no right and wrong mentality of sociologists which has been communicated through out society in public schools, the media, (ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA) and other ways.

I say be vocal, VERY vocal when you see wrong. Of course don't get yourself in a physical altercation (unless anothers life is in danger) but speak up.

I understand what you are saying here but it's not as simple as you make it. the ENTIRE culture is infected....and the lone individual (especially in the workplace) speaking up and trying to correct these type of idiots....will often either get you fired, or subject to harassment. I know this after twenty plus years of working in a large company. Almost EVERY time I've spoken up.....I have suffered. Most times I am labeled a trouble maker for just trying to correct ethical issues at work. It NEVER works out for the good. My solution? Either find a new job (not in my case...my position and level of income make that a bad choice) or ignore the losers and let my work habits display my integrity.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Stay positive and remember you won't spend the rest of your life in that arm pit of a city. Just knowing you are headed for a better future should make you feel better.

What does your wife say about the way you feel ?


JHZR2,

What factory jobs pay $100,000 / year ???





Yahoo just had an article on this... Consider the source, but apparently there are a ton of tooling and machining jobs that arent getting filled, the average age is going way up, and the pay is on the $100k level within a few years because of demand and inability to get folks to do the job well.

I do know a machinist personally who pulls in roughly that.

 

[Drew99GT]

Yup! machinists and tool and die makers make a very good living, but the kids today are taught in public school that you MUST get at least a masters degree to even have a shot at making a good living. While higher education is the correct path for some kids, it certainly isn't for others. That's why we have a shortage of skilled tradesmen.

There is always a few job ads even in my area for machinists and tool and die makers and most start at $20/hr and move on up from there.

 

[Vikas]

there seems to be a large difference between $100K/year and $20/hr!

 

[SteveSRT8]

My son makes just shy of 100k a year fixing garage doors as an employee. An amazing compensation plan at his company means if you hustle you do well.

My top employee made 75k last year in a terrible economy on a combination of salary and commission sales. Note he only works 5 days a week, less than 40 hours! Note also that we furnish everything, all he has to do is make it to the shop.

Welders are currently being sought by one of my clients who owns a large manufacturing firm. I know he would pay about whatever he needed to as he is hurting for production capacity!

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
there seems to be a large difference between $100K/year and $20/hr!


Yes, and that would be the cost of living in my area. It's probably half what it is in New Jersey. A $20/hr job starting out here with increases to over $30/hr will give someone a very good living in my area; comparable to most degreed professionals, depending on occupation. Heck, that's probably the median income for most CPAs/accountants in my area (my profession).

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Welders are currently being sought by one of my clients who owns a large manufacturing firm. I know he would pay about whatever he needed to as he is hurting for production capacity!


I do the books for a large sheet metal company in my area and they're practically begging for good help, but it just isn't there. Well, there are people out of work, but they don't want to get training in sheet metal and welding. It's a shame because I do the payroll, and the guys that have experience in sheet metal and welding make more money than I do!

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Welders are currently being sought by one of my clients who owns a large manufacturing firm. I know he would pay about whatever he needed to as he is hurting for production capacity!


I do the books for a large sheet metal company in my area and they're practically begging for good help, but it just isn't there. Well, there are people out of work, but they don't want to get training in sheet metal and welding. It's a shame because I do the payroll, and the guys that have experience in sheet metal and welding make more money than I do!


A lot of people who are out of work or underemployed probably can't afford the training for skilled jobs. If your company offers on the job training that's another matter, but generally companies require specific experience or training that isn't always easily attainable to people who are struggling as it is. I'm sure a lot of people who are sweeping floors and cleaning toilets would love an opportunity to learn metalworking and get a relatively high paying job in that field.

 

[Dave Hess]

But in trades there are always slow times of the year, not to mention unlicensed/undocumented people doing work for less than legit companies.
I know a bunch of tradesmen out of work both union/ non union.

$20/hour is the bare minimum just to make ends meet for *most* people in the USA.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette

$20/hour is the bare minimum just to make ends meet for *most* people in the USA.



Actually, it's roughly the median household income in the United States, so plenty of people make it work. It means you make a budget and stick to it and don't live lavishly, or you pile on the debt to keep up with the Jones.

 

[Dave Hess]

When you have kids and the necessary bills associated with a family its not easy on $20/hr if you plan on having almost zero debt, saving for retirement and paying a mortgage/bills on time.

Last year between my 401k and voluntary pension I put in $20,000 (no bull). I also have a company pension that is separate. Sure I could have spent that money on a fancy German car pretending to be affluent... but that's NOT my style.

 

[Vikas]

$20/hr translates to $40K per year working 40hours per week for 50 weeks in a year. That leaves about $60K short of hitting $100K per year.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
$20/hr translates to $40K per year working 40hours per week for 50 weeks in a year. That leaves about $60K short of hitting $100K per year.


You a math major?

My point was a $20 starting job here/40k/year is probably the same as 70 or 80k in the northeast. The median home costs about 200K. What is it, 350 to 400K in the northeast?

 

[bigmike]

I could successfully get by on 40k a year with a mortgage, utilities, car payment, and insurances, including retirement and I'm married, but without children. It takes sacrifice. My wife and I do not have outstanding debt except for our mortgage, but we also do not have pay TV service, a land line phone, internet access, or other perks. We are extremely frugal, but we still go out and do fun things together. We both are on the same page financially and we couldn't be happier.

There are very FEW poor people in this country. I grew up fairly poor, but I don't recall going without electric, water, and food.

Cost of living varies immensely. I never thought too much about it until reading about it on this site over the last few years.

 

[Dave Hess]

But if you had 3 kids, would $40,000 / year be enough ?

 

[Dave Hess]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
$20/hour is the bare minimum just to make ends meet for *most* people in the USA.

Actually, it's roughly the median household income in the United States, so plenty of people make it work. It means you make a budget and stick to it and don't live lavishly, or you pile on the debt to keep up with the Jones.

Plenty of Americans have lots of credit card debt because that $20/hour minus taxes, insurance and retirement leaves them with very little cash to keep a roof over their heads / food / utilities / clothes, gasoline, .... etc.

I agree $20/hour is decent salary if you are single with no children.

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
But if you had 3 kids, would $40,000 / year be enough ?



No, of course not. I couldn't live in the same house, but could survive. To maintain the same place of living with 3 children, I'd probably need around 55k minimum.

 

[Astro14]

How did this thread go from the jerk manager at work to a debate on salaries in America???

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
How did this thread go from the jerk manager at work to a debate on salaries in America???


If we knew the answer to that, the Internet would break.