Toyota's 745-mile Battery

[Cujet]

One of my employees kids worked there a few years.
More than a year before Carreyrou blew this whole thing up she told me their Edison device never remotely worked as promised and basically everyone there knew it.

Just like the bogus battery breakthroughs.

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/03/sci...y-with-4-times-energy-density-of-lithium-ion/

The link above is for "lithium-air battery" For those who don't know, we can consume a metal through oxidation and get many times the output of today's lithium batteries. Zinc-Air batteries are common for hearing aids. There is not a snowball's chance in Hades that they can be recharged, as the "metal" is consumed as a fuel. Although, one can continuously "feed" in a metal slurry or paste, and the battery can operate nearly forever, just like an engine.

 

[y_p_w]

No, not correct.
They promised one drop of blood was enough to do a full blood work up versus the traditional way of having to acquire a vile or more of blood.

This turned out to be a scandal of the largest magnitude and fools made of the drugstore chain Walgreens into promoting this technology that did not exist.

Walgreen executives went against their own safety control department and overruled their opposition to this blood testing technology which was never evaluated, nor allowed to be evaluated by Theranos under the threat they would go to CVS if they did not agree, right then and there at the meeting.
What was worse was blood test results were also not only in accurate, in some cases falsified.

It’s an incredible fascinating doc you miniseries. Fantastic and I would highly recommend it.
Elizabeth Holmes even had our ex secretary of the treasury invest in this technology and her company, yet there was no product.
Every aspect, every machine, every display of a working machine was falsified.

Magazines when naming a woman of the year all across this country in the technology world, offer a product that was never proven to work. Anybody interested in the stuff would be absolutely positively fascinated what took place. The most scary scary scary part of all was peoples. Blood was getting tested through a fake system.


https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10166622/

The technology existed. The "Edison Machine" was an actual machine with their technology. It just didn't work accurately and probably never was going to work. There were reports that for some patients they were taking full blood samples as a control but claiming that the results were from a drop of that sample, while others only submitted a drop and were getting bad results.

 

[y_p_w]

One of my employees kids worked there a few years.
More than a year before Carreyrou blew this whole thing up she told me their Edison device never remotely worked as promised and basically everyone there knew it.

I had previously met someone who worked there **after** the whole report came out. I guess his job was more or less damage control, although that must have been really tough.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Your all a bunch of pessimists. I imagine you would have convinced Christopher Columbus to not sail. I can hear it now "Your boat is too small, your crew is too old, your HTHS is too low".

 

[JeffKeryk]

At the time, investors were looking for "the next Apple". Holmes was the next Jobs; dressed in black turtle neck shirts and all.
People wanted to believe it. She was a billionaire at one point I believe. Now Ms Holmes is in the pokey, where she belongs.

I feel for anyone whose health suffered from her deceit.

 

[Cujet]

Your all a bunch of pessimists.

Hope gets you nowhere when the physics is exceptionally well understood.

The good news is that manufacturers are making the battery packs larger and larger, thereby offering more capability. I see no reason to limit a sedan to 100KWh when we can clearly put in 150KWh or more worth of batteries.

 

[y_p_w]

Hope gets you nowhere when the physics is exceptionally well understood.

The good news is that manufacturers are making the battery packs larger and larger, thereby offering more capability. I see no reason to limit a sedan to 100KWh when we can clearly put in 150KWh or more worth of batteries.

That’s where commercial trucks are heading, especially when the tractor is typically a small fraction of the weight anyways. It would work great for drayage.

 

[y_p_w]

At the time, investors were looking for "the next Apple". Holmes was the next Jobs; dressed in black turtle neck shirts and all.
People wanted to believe it. She was a billionaire at one point I believe. Now Ms Holmes is in the pokey, where she belongs.

I feel for anyone whose health suffered from her deceit.

On paper. She was drawing a hefty salary and also selling pre-IPO shares.

I worked at a startup where our CEO told the truth about something major and detrimental to the company. Put everything in the standard SEC filings for our planned IPO that never happened. He said that he wasn’t willing to go to jail.

 

[JeffKeryk]

On paper. She was drawing a hefty salary and also selling pre-IPO shares.

I worked at a startup where our CEO told the truth about something major and detrimental to the company. Put everything in the standard SEC filings for our planned IPO that never happened. He said that he wasn’t willing to go to jail.

Yeah, it's real. I wrote the app for SAB 101 and 104 Revenue Recognition for a billion dollar company. If a public company mis-represented their revenue, they could be held responsible including losing their liberty.

 

[y_p_w]

Yeah, it's real. I wrote the app for SAB 101 and 104 Revenue Recognition for a billion dollar company. If a public company mis-represented their revenue, they could be held responsible including losing their liberty.

I was trying to remember who the sponsors were for the bill that created that specific requirement. I was thinking Dodd-Frank, but that was after the mortgage meltdown. So it was (post-Enron) Sarbanes-Oxley that made CEOs and CFOs personally liable criminally for misrepresentation.

 

[Ws6]

I agree, if you're going to be an early adopter you might as well have the biggest and the best at the time, so at least you have a fighting chance when the tech is improved upon. Or in this case when the battery ages and range takes a hit. All you need is the money required to buy into the latest and greatest.

For me that meant charging speed and performance. Once you own an EV, your priority shifts from range to charging speed. Its remarkable.

 

[Ws6]

Honestly, I don't expect battery density to increase too much. I do expect its cost, safety, and durability to improve over time and therefore make the same vehicles more affordable to the mass.

Look back at horse drawn wagons, they are much lighter than gas car today (at least not the large SUVs), and moving to gas vehicles over time with increased weight didn't bother the riders / drivers because gas is cheap. I don't see larger battery packs being a problem if they are affordable, reliable, and durable. If anything larger batteries can be used to soak up excessive generations during off peak with more flexibility.

BYD Blade batteries are already a massive leap, there.

 

[Ws6]

The technology existed. The "Edison Machine" was an actual machine with their technology. It just didn't work accurately and probably never was going to work. There were reports that for some patients they were taking full blood samples as a control but claiming that the results were from a drop of that sample, while others only submitted a drop and were getting bad results.

iSTAT has been around for a good while.

 

[demarpaint]

For me that meant charging speed and performance. Once you own an EV, your priority shifts from range to charging speed. Its remarkable.

I'd want both.

 

[Ws6]

I'd want both.

Well, for now...

 

[demarpaint]

Well, for now...

Precisely and another of many reasons why I don't have one. They can sort them out on someone else's dime.

 

[Ws6]

Precisely and another of many reasons why I don't have one. They can sort them out on someone else's dime.

I don't agree. I mean, you bought an ICE vehicle that was similarly outdated as soon as next came out, so...

There will always be better next year...

 

[demarpaint]

I don't agree. I mean, you bought an ICE vehicle that was similarly outdated as soon as next came out, so...

There will always be better next year...

I wasn't expecting you or any EV owner to agree. Some technologies get outdated faster than others, mine hung in there a bit longer. I stated my reasons why I won't jump on the EV bandwagon many times before, no point in repeating them. Maybe in another thread at another time I'll repeat them and perhaps add a few more reasons.

 

[Torrid]

I'd want both.

I get fast charging but like you I don't want to stop every 200 miles. It needs enough headroom for me to charge quickly and get more than that. I probably would care less about the range if I didn't drive so far all the time. There are a few that have enough range for me not to worry about it much, but at this point I don't like any of them enough to buy them right now and my current car does it for half the money and gets good enough fuel economy that I don't care yet.

I get that EVs are the way forward that every company is leaning into (the way they're taking at least), but I want to celebrate internal combustion while I can in new vehicles for the time being. One EV is enough for me right now.

 

[Ws6]

I wasn't expecting you or any EV owner to agree. Some technologies get outdated faster than others, mine hung in there a bit longer. I stated my reasons why I won't jump on the EV bandwagon many times before, no point in repeating them. Maybe in another thread at another time I'll repeat them and perhaps add a few more reasons.

I remember buying an LS1 car. Then the LS6 came out. Then the LS7. Then...

Remember the 2010 Mustang GT? Big oof! Hate to own one in 2011...

It's the same as with ICE, except if you buy an EV in the 5-800hp range, it won't be outdated very soon at all except in range, and that's a big "maybe" considering that noone has really improved all that much in energy density of battery packs so far, despite all the "Coming soon..." swill.

THEN we have to wait and see what goes wrong with those SS battery packs...just like we are now on the 3rd and 4th gen LiIon battery packs. So that's more waiting time. I say give it 5-8 years before anything exists that I'd consider a worthwhile upgrade from my GT.