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The only thing I've ever replaced a ball joint on was a 1980's Plymouth Horizon.

What I like about the FWD Toyota's I've seen is that the ball joint is bolted, instead of riveted in. So it looks much easier to replace.

I believe the one on the Horizon was pressed and tack welded into place, as I had to chisel and grind off the old weld to press the ball joint out.
 
Toyota uses a castle nut to secure yhe ball joints. They need to be torqued and loctited properlyu or they can and will work loose but they are more servicable than a welded on unit.
 
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Eleven accidents prompt US Toyota recall
Friday, 19 Jan 2007 09:22

There has been no mention of the financial hit that Toyota will take over the recall, but Bloomberg estimated that the recall and repair of the vehicles will cost the company in excess of $250 million (£130 million).

Recall costs are not expected to impact the company's earnings. According to reports, the company has a special fund set up to finance the cost of recalls.




Well , brian , I sure hope they know where that fund is , and it isn't with Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group .




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota




See para UNDER HISTORY starts " In 2001 " - ends - " Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group "
 
Yep ,
This is another one of those golden " opportunities " to do something that creates more value for the customer .
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........MOVING FORWARD ONE BALLJOINT RECALL AT A TIME.......
 
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........MOVING FORWARD ONE BALLJOINT RECALL AT A TIME.......




Actually, I think Toyota is moving forward by taking market share away from the domestics, one buyer at a time. I don't see how this recall (or any other Japanese/Korean recall) will effect their continued success versus the Big Three.

But hey, you and your Toyota bashing buddy Brian can charge windmills if you please...
 
I'm bashing Toyota by posting a recall? And pointing out that 3.5 years isn't exactly timely? (The Federal time limit on recalls is 8 years, by the way). And pointing out that this is the SECOND Toyota recall for balljoints? (I didn't point out then, but I will now, that the first recall covered 2001-2004 Tacoma, Tundra, and Sequoia, while this one covers the 2004-on Tundra and Sequoia models. Draw your own conclusions as to whether it's the same problem.)
 
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Eleven accidents prompt US Toyota recall
Friday, 19 Jan 2007 09:22
Toyota recalled over half a million vehicles Japanese carmaker Toyota has recalled more than half a million vehicles in the US after a steering problem was believed to have been involved in 11 accidents.

The car maker is recalling 533,000 2004 to 2006 Tundra trucks and 2004 to 2007 Sequoia sport utility vehicles. Spokesman Bill Kwong confirmed the recall, stating that there have also been six injuries thought to be linked to the announcement.

There has been no mention of the financial hit that Toyota will take over the recall, but Bloomberg estimated that the recall and repair of the vehicles will cost the company in excess of $250 million (£130 million).

Recall costs are not expected to impact the company's earnings. According to reports, the company has a special fund set up to finance the cost of recalls.

Mr Kwong has explained the problem with the recalled models is due to excessive wear to a lower ball joint in the front suspension. The excessive wear makes the vehicles hard to steer, meaning drivers will find it difficult to control the vehicle.

Last year Toyota, the world's number two carmaker, recalled 766,000 vehicles, a significant drop from the 2.2 million vehicles recalled in 2005.




Sigh ..... the Press ....... that 766,000 for 2006 is not correct .So far ,looks like it should be at least 1.15 to 1.35 million maybe more Probably a toyota provided number looking at how the whole things written .
Any of you toyota people have an accurate count ?
I know , I know , thats a lot to ask .....there has just been so many .
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Not looking for the 2.5+++ million outside of US .
In any case , just an outstanding start for 2007 .
Nineteen days into Jan. 533 ,000 on one recall .Wow .
I think I'm going to double down on going past 2005 .
 
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I see no problem with this; Automobiles are highly technical machines and I don't begrudge any manufacturer (foreign or domestic) for quickly following up on situations/problems that only arise when hundreds of thousands of them are on the road. There are only so many scenarios you can test for in development, especially with consumers demand model revamps every four years.

Where I would fault a manufacturer is when there are hundreds/thousands of reported incidents and they still shirk their recall responsibilities. Eleven reported incidents? I consider such a timely reponse by Toyota to be acceptable. However, I'm sure some here will enjoy a shadenfreude moment...




Shadenfreude it is .


Defect Summary

Make: TOYOTA
Model: TUNDRA
Year: 2004
NHTSA Action Number: EA06014
Summary:
ON MAY 16 , 2005 , TOYOTA SUBMITTED A DEFECT INFORMATION REPORT TO NHTSA'S OFFICE OF DEFECTS INVESTIGATION (ODI) REGARDING A DEFECT CONDITION THAT COULD RESULT IN LOWER BALL JOINT SEPARATION IN CERTAIN MODEL YEAR (MY) 2001 THROUGH 2004 TOYOTA TUNDRA, SEQUOIA, TACOMA AND 4RUNNER VEHICLES (RECALL 05V-225, ODI INVESTIGATION EA04-024). TOYOTA'S RECALL INCLUDED APPROXIMATELY 775,000 VEHICLES BUILT DURING A PERIOD IN WHICH THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS COULD HAVE PRODUCED SCRATCHES ON THE BALL SURFACE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN ACCELERATED WEAR OF THE JOINTS. THE LOWER BALL JOINTS WERE REPLACED IN THE RECALLED VEHICLES. ODI OPENED RQ06-005 BASED ON FOUR CONSUMER REPORTS OF ALLEGED BALL JOINT FAILURE IN TUNDRA VEHICLES THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN RECALL 05V-225. THE COMPLAINTS ALLEGED INCIDENTS OF FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINT SEPARATION WHILE DRIVING, RESULTING IN SUSPENSION COLLAPSE AND LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL. DURING RQ06-005 ODI IDENTIFIED 112 (50.7 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) UNIQUE LOWER BALL JOINT SEPARATION INCIDENTS. THESE INCIDENTS INCLUDE CONSUMER COMPLAINTS, FIELD REPORTS AND WARRANTY CLAIMS FOR THE MY 2004-2005 TUNDRA VEHICLES. ALL OF THE REPORTED INCIDENTS WERE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF RECALL 05V-225, AND THERE IS SOME DUPLICATION BETWEEN COMPLAINTS AND WARRANTY. ALSO, FURTHER EXAMINATION SHOWED THAT THE AVERAGE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 53,234 MILES AND THAT OF THE 112 INCIDENTS, 65 (66.3 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) WERE ON FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, WHICH MAKE UP APPROXIMATELY 44% OF THE MY 2004-2005 POPULATION (220,826 VEHICLES). THE REMAINING 56% ARE TWO-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES WHICH EXPERIENCED A TOTAL OF 47 (38.2 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) BALL JOINT SEPARATIONS. THIS INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS.






Defect Summary

Make: TOYOTA
Model: TUNDRA
Year: 2004
NHTSA Action Number: RQ06005
Summary:
THE OFFICE OF DEFECTS INVESTIGATIONS (ODI) OPENED RQ06-005 BASED ON FOUR CONSUMER REPORTS OF ALLEGED BALL JOINT FAILURE. THE COMPLAINTS ALLEGE THAT A FRONT SUSPENSION BALL JOINT SEPARATED WHILE DRIVING, WHICH CAUSED THE SUSPENSION TO COLLAPSE AND RESULTED IN A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL. ALL OF THESE COMPLAINTS INVOLVED THE FAILURE OF A LOWER TENSION-TYPE BALL JOINT. DURING THE INVESTIGATION THERE WERE 39 (36.7 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) COMPLAINTS AND 74 (69.6 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) WARRANTY CLAIMS FOR THE 2004 MODEL YEAR (MY) TOYOTA TUNDRA. FURTHER ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT THE AVERAGE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 54,025 MILES , AND THAT OF THE 109 UNIQUE BALL JOINT SEPARATION INCIDENTS , 64 ( 133 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) WERE ON FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, WHICH MAKE UP APPROXIMATELY 45% OF THE 2004 MY POPULATION (106,346 VEHICLES). THE REMAINING 55% ARE TWO-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES WHICH EXPERIENCED A TOTAL OF 45 (77 PER 100,000 VEHICLES) BALL JOINT SEPARATIONS. ALSO, THROUGHOUT THE INVESTIGATION THERE SURFACED ADDITIONAL FAILURES WHICH HAVE PROMPTED ODI TO UPGRADE THIS INVESTIGATION TO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS AND WIDEN THE SCOPE OF THE AFFECTED POPULATION TO INCLUDE 2004-2005 MY. THIS RECALL QUERY HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS (EA06-014) TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE THIS ISSUE TO ASSESS THE SAFETY-RELATED CONSEQUENCES, AND TO DETERMINE THE SCOPE OF THE AFFECTED POPULATION.


Construct a timeline from the above information .
Make sure you understand just how bad these failure times , rates , and consequences really are .
Make sure you understand what could have , and should have been avoided .

Feel proud now about toyota , and your post ?

"NO PROBLEM " ? " TIMELY " ?? " QUICKLY " ??? You feel that way now ? How would you feel if it was one of your people that had been injured ?

Boy , one things for sure , makes you want to run right over and grab a new Tundra doesn't it . Or would you feel better if you had one of the effected vehicles ?
 
Sorry Toyota bashers,

I can only go with my own personal experience with regards to vehicle recalls. As I mentioned earlier, Ford played a game that stretched out for years...and included several fatalities. If you gentlemen would be so kind, could you please locate and find the statistics concerning fatalities and Toyota recalls? Thanks in advance...

BTW: Do you gentlemen possess the integrity to jump out in front of the next inenvitable, large-scale domestic recall and post the info here, as a "public service?" Considering your posts with regards to other recall threads, I doubt you'll go so far as to bash the domestics as much as you do with Toyota. A search of your posts illustrates there are some agenda issues here...which means I can't really take your posts at face value, since I suspect you're not interested in discussing vehicle reliability issues without bias. It's fair game to get on Toyota about these ball joints, but I expect you to be fair enough to get on the next domestic manufacturer screw-up too.

Will you? Can you? From your early posts on recall threads, I don't believe it's probable...

And just for the record: I only own domestic cars...no Toyotas, no Hondas, no Hyundais. The only reason I'm shaking my head at you guys is because I think you're fairly naive to believe that this is an "us vs. them" scenario. If the public perceives Asian vehicles to be more reliable, domestic vehicles will become more reliable in order to compete. As domestic vehicles become more reliable, the public's perception changes, the domestic companies become more competitive, foreign companies have to change their products (either to make it better or to lower the price point to compete w/domestics) and we as consumers ALL WIN.

Even you two, Brian and g20.
 
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It's fair game to get on Toyota about these ball joints, but I expect you to be fair enough to get on the next domestic manufacturer screw-up too.




I have no crystal ball, so we can't discuss the next domestic manufacturer screw up, but how about some of these:

1)The Ford TFI-IV module problem.

2)The foglight problem in late 80s Ford vehicles. (No recall, should've been one).

3)Ford using PVC wiring insulation on the underhood wiring harnesses on the 95-97 Contour/Mystique. This results in the wiring insulation becoming brittle and cracking due to underhood heat. (Particularly bad because simply applying a flame to the wire insulation would have revealed it to be PVC). I should mention that Ford did apply a 10 year, 100K mile extended warranty on the wiring harnesses, but getting the local dealer to replace them under warranty turned out to be impossible.

If you've really done a search on what I've posted, you should have noticed that I've posted about these problems several times here, having personal experience with all of them. You would also find several posts where I've mentioned how #@$%!-poor the local Ford dealer is. (FYI, I've never once considered searching for your posts. Why could that be? Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Wait! I know! It's because I don't care enough about what you have to say to do so.)

Oh, for the record, I own a 2006 Saab 93, which is NOT a domestic car (nor is it built in a third-world country, which is one thing I fault both Ford and GM for engaging in). I'll be sure, however, to post about any recalls it may have. It hasn't had any yet. I haven't had any problems other than the door handles being the wrong color due to a build error. The dealership changed them out with a minimum of hassle.

It's even got the right kind of wire insulation under the hood.
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Well Brian, you do have a "Toyota bashing" reputation with some here...that's why I checked your previous posts out. I mean, everytime there is a thread about vehicle reliability or foreign recalls, it becomes a "here we go again" type of situation with you. Reminds me of how the latest Mobil 1 threads have been going...

But hey, if you don't care what I have to say because I pointed out that your schoolgirl like giddiness over this Toyota recall seemed strange, so be it. I can't make you be objective. However, I can point out to others that your post isn't meant as a public service. I mean, this info was out there on cable news, on Yahoo news, on Drudge, even in my local paper before you posted a link here at BITOG. Can't we generalize that BITOG members are a little more astute about vehicle news than most? Don't you think most people here knew about this before you tried to start this bashing thread?

Therefore, I think it's fair to say that you're posting of this link as a "public service" is just phoney.

BTW: Do you even own a Toyota? If not, what do you care? Well...unless this is just about you having an axe to grind.
 
Someone else posted about this recall in another subforum (after I posted it here). Why don't you go give them #@$%! about that, too? Here, I'll even give you the link to save the search:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...ge=0#Post804864

Have fun.

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BTW: Do you even own a Toyota? If not, what do you care?




You don't own a Toyota, so why do you care what I care? Why are you even posting on this thread? Was it so you could grind your own axe about purchasing an Exploder? (My condolences).
 
Settle down, you're getting way too excited.

BTW: I'm giving you "#@$%!" about starting this Toyota bashing thread because you have a history of starting "#@$%!" when it comes to the silly "foreign vs. domestic" argument. If you can't handle criticism, maybe you shouldn't start these stupid, useless threads...
 
Apparently, simply stating that one is satisfied with the performance and durability with their domestic vehicle is enough to start #@$%! around here...to say nothing of posting a recall about a foreign vehicle.
 
Posting a link to a recall that most everyone at BITOG is already aware of for a vehicle you don't even own is not the "public service" you are trying to make it out to be.

This thread was started in order to bash on Toyota. The fact that somebody is calling you on it ought to be enough for you to let it drop. But if your intentions are unclear to anyone here, all they need to do is take a look at your posting history. Furthermore, at over 5,000 posts, you certainly seem to have an opinion on just about everything...

Just admit the real reason why you started this topic and let it die; the only other alternatives are for a moderator to close this thread or for both of us to be banned. I susupect the latter would have a bigger impact upon your social life than mine.

Mustang_Cougar

PS: Nice job playing the victim card in your last post. Everyone is certainly down on you for playing defense for multi-billion dollar domestic auto manufacturers who got themselves into this financial mess. Boo-hoo...
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