Toyota owners "boring"?
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CBD, was your 3 an automatic? With a 5 speed, they do 0 to 60 in about 7.7 seconds and run an under 16 second 1/4 mile. If you can't merge with that kind of performance than you need to learn how to push the gas pedal down and go around corners!
I agree with JHZR2. The need to have all these cars with 250 hp just so you can merge and be able to fly out of Lowes (only to get stuck at the same ****n stoplight I'll get stuck at) is ridiculous.
I swear, some people must put brakes on their cars every 10,000 miles. I have over half pad life left and I have 60,000 miles on this set of pads
In a Toyota Corolla of all cars with it's puny little brakes.
I agree with JHZR2. The need to have all these cars with 250 hp just so you can merge and be able to fly out of Lowes (only to get stuck at the same ****n stoplight I'll get stuck at) is ridiculous.
I swear, some people must put brakes on their cars every 10,000 miles. I have over half pad life left and I have 60,000 miles on this set of pads
By the way, in a crowded megolopolis, you guys have traffic that's actually doing more than 55??? In my neck of the woods, if you doing 70 by the time your merging, you had better have a set of 6 piston Bear brakes cause you gonna be jamming that stop pedal! (unless I'm the first one on the ramp
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Those are the fun ones to be stuck behind on a windy 2-lane road. Too much gas followed by too much brake followed by too much gas..sheesh.
JHZR2
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OK, lets put the full post in there:
Note the way that I wrote it - the riduculous part was the automakers trying to claim that their vehicles are all sports cars, just because they have a v6.
Note how it is written - let sports cars be sports cars, make the supra as fast as possible and bring it over here... but put the engineerng money into making family cars safer, more efficient, longer lasting, etc. That will never happen because marketing teaches people that 6 is better than 4, and that you need 240 instead of 160, or else - so thats what sells, and those are areas that EXTRA money has to be spent - development monies are always tradeoffs from one pot (individual or collective) to another.
The need for a v6? you might agree - good for you. I can disagree, fine for me. For my dollar, id rather see even more safety engineering, handling prowess, and higher MPG numbers than that toyota added a half-liter to their v6 automatic sedan. If they didnt spend the millions in v6 engine development, I wouldnt know different, but at least I wouldnt be subsidizing something that I haveno need or desire for.
I dont find anything about the buyer ridiculous except the perceived notion that they 'need' a v6 engine... What I find ridiculous is the automakers spending millions in engineering dollars for these big, powerful engines, in cars and trucks that no matter what will never be sports cars. If you want to buy a supra turbo, a corvette, a v6, v8 or v10 sports car with hue amounts of extra power, more thanyou could ever use - be my guest. But marketing the 'need' for the big engines, as if youre going to be sporty and the sedan equivalent of a corvette driver because your sedan has six cylinders instead of 4 is really beyond me.
I still don't and will never see the need to do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds in a family sedan. So be it. You obviously have the need to use that level of performance daily. My 2004 175 hp saab does more than well enough, yet does 0-60 in only 7.7 seconds. Fine enough for me.
My original post was intended for the automakers and how they spend their development money and what they apparently make the important parts of their vehicle development, particularly in an effort to get over the 'boring' hump - just like you see happening. Like by claiming thier sedans are sports cars because they have a v6. Me? Id rather have the 4cyl with more safety and more longevity engineered in, at a lower price. I can hope that the car companies take this route, just like you can hope (if you so desire) that the next altima gets a v8, so you can merge onto thehighway in even more safety.
To each their own.
JMH
[ July 21, 2006, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: JHZR2 ]
I am now a loyal toyota owner, and yup, I'm boring. I switched my 02 Jetta for a 05 highlander, and a 05 accord for a 06 tC.
But hey, I no longer spend all my time in the VW dealership service department lobby waiting for them to fix my 02 Jetta for the windows crashing down into the door, running on 3 cylinders, gas cap won't close, car not starting, etc....
And nor am I in the lobby of the honda service department for the 7th time in a month to fix a rattle from the back, silver paint in the headlight housing peeling.... etc.
With those worries gone, slowing people down with the tC is the least I can do.
But hey, I no longer spend all my time in the VW dealership service department lobby waiting for them to fix my 02 Jetta for the windows crashing down into the door, running on 3 cylinders, gas cap won't close, car not starting, etc....
And nor am I in the lobby of the honda service department for the 7th time in a month to fix a rattle from the back, silver paint in the headlight housing peeling.... etc.
With those worries gone, slowing people down with the tC is the least I can do.
Still for the Toyota fans, do you really get behind the wheel and think the experience is exciting to drive the vehicle or just adequate/does the job?
That is the real question not that the car is reliable or other (boring
) factors like fuel mileage.
That is the real question not that the car is reliable or other (boring
Going places that you couldn't begin to get to in a car is not boring...
The primary differance between 2wd and 4wd is that when you get stuck with a 4wd, it's a longer walk to get help.
Greaser... I'm a Toyota owner AND a Canadian.
How boring is THAT !!
P.B.
How boring is THAT !!
P.B.
All true
JHZR2
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Im not so sure that at 17, you can reasonably make good reliability statements about your car. Youve had your driver's license since when? 16? So youve owned your car for 1 year or so? what? 15k miles?
I hope a cammed 2.0 jetta actually provides a bit of excitement... I wouldnt think that it could be all that 'exciting', compared to a 1.8T or better, but Im glad that you are. How much power does your engne make, out of curiosity???
JMH
I haven't dyno the jetta- but stock it only makes 115 off the 2 liter, the cam was told to give me 10 in the high rpms, doesn't feel like it. GIAC chip- also programmed for the cam- gave me an aditional 7-10 HP- and i believe it. the intake said 5-10 im sure its around 4 ( big bore preformance intake- not just a tube with the cone)the exhaust im sure gave me nothing, but i only put it in because i wanted a straight pipe and some sound, because im getting ready to install a junkyard built Turbo next week, i have a preformance throttle body, again- i didn't feel anything from it, I ported and polished the intake manifold, i think this with the throttle body gave me a little gain, and a stage II Sachs clutch- which im pretty sure I don't need. The car sees the track about 3 times a month, almost every other day now that i have no school, and ive been tracking since i got the car, and it's still reliable, even though it's a 97- just because ive owned the car for only a year doesn't mean its not 9 years old. pulling numbers out my rear, is say probably around 135ish- I'd be lucky to get the stock 115 HP at the wheels.
This number will change after i get that garret installed next week- then the car will be fun to drive.
[ July 22, 2006, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: KieferS ]
This number will change after i get that garret installed next week- then the car will be fun to drive.
[ July 22, 2006, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: KieferS ]
Maybe Bitog should get a resident shrink on staff to see what oil/vehicle combo makes us tick
..I never thought this thread was going to balloon like it did!
Let see...... I am 33 years old and have done and continue to do the following from time to time.I have a wife adn three children. I drive a Camry.
1)Base Jumping
2)Skate Board
3)Judo
4)TKD since 4 years old
5)Bridge Diveing
6)Free Climb
7)White Water Rafting
8)Prior to marraige was a womanizeing scoundral
9)Grew up mostly in Europe dureing the cold war.
Now I like to think that I am a typical Toyota owners and would never call myself boreing!!! The Camry was all about $$$$$$ and gas milage!!! Prior to that I drove only trucks and suv's and the ocasional BMW.
In a lot of countries the Carolla is hot-roded for rally raceing.You can get sub frame kits, independent rear assembly's, torsen diff.,and all kinds of H.P. engine parts. I knew a soldier that used to drive from Gerogia to New York I think it was and he did 120MPH most of the way. He did this for his last three years and that car took it with no signs of letting up.
I will agree though that Toyota's design's and performance level in most of their line up is boreing!!!!They are starting to get the hint though. In adition to have some afforadable rear wheel drives in the Toyota line up they need to have a cheap performance car. They need a car that can be sold for less then $17,000 that will perform both in acceleration and handleing like a Lotus. They really would do wounders for their image. Sure the super car they have in the works is going to be great but it will not what they are looking for.It will more then likely be in the Lexus line up. The Supra will probably be too expensive to really sell well.
1)Base Jumping
2)Skate Board
3)Judo
4)TKD since 4 years old
5)Bridge Diveing
6)Free Climb
7)White Water Rafting
8)Prior to marraige was a womanizeing scoundral
9)Grew up mostly in Europe dureing the cold war.
Now I like to think that I am a typical Toyota owners and would never call myself boreing!!! The Camry was all about $$$$$$ and gas milage!!! Prior to that I drove only trucks and suv's and the ocasional BMW.
In a lot of countries the Carolla is hot-roded for rally raceing.You can get sub frame kits, independent rear assembly's, torsen diff.,and all kinds of H.P. engine parts. I knew a soldier that used to drive from Gerogia to New York I think it was and he did 120MPH most of the way. He did this for his last three years and that car took it with no signs of letting up.
I will agree though that Toyota's design's and performance level in most of their line up is boreing!!!!They are starting to get the hint though. In adition to have some afforadable rear wheel drives in the Toyota line up they need to have a cheap performance car. They need a car that can be sold for less then $17,000 that will perform both in acceleration and handleing like a Lotus. They really would do wounders for their image. Sure the super car they have in the works is going to be great but it will not what they are looking for.It will more then likely be in the Lexus line up. The Supra will probably be too expensive to really sell well.
I have a tC, and I'm impressed as heck with the 160/160ish hp/tq. It's almost as fast as a '70s Ferarri 308, and I'm old enough to think that was a supercar. Handles better too on modern rubber.
I think the power some cars have these days is essentially useless given the overcrowded roads, and I think it's a shame that the car mfrs choose to use that tech in the US to give us power, rather than the gas milage they build into cars over the rest of the world.
I think the power some cars have these days is essentially useless given the overcrowded roads, and I think it's a shame that the car mfrs choose to use that tech in the US to give us power, rather than the gas milage they build into cars over the rest of the world.
JHZR2
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i, every post you make I like!
I agree totally... but lest we get into another fight over the 'need' to have more than, say, 160 or 175 hp... Ill just say - I think youre exactly right!
JMH
I agree totally... but lest we get into another fight over the 'need' to have more than, say, 160 or 175 hp... Ill just say - I think youre exactly right!
JMH
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