Toyota CH-R?

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My adult son is looking to replace his very reliable 2014 Kia Soul with 220K miles on it (1.6L). He is first going to have our "personal" mechanic give him an estimate to repair everything on the Kia - all wear items and mostly suspension components (struts, etc.). He thinks that these repairs will give him 1 or possibly 2 more years with it. We are aware of the current car market - sigh.

Any one here familiar with and/or have opinions of the Toyota CH-R? The reported low engine power and cramped back seats are not a concern. Reliability as a daily driver is the key priority. It's low popularity might make it a better financial option.

Thanks!!
 
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doitmyself said:
My adult son is looking to replace his very reliable 2014 Kia Soul with 220K miles on it (1.6L). He is first going to have our "personal" mechanic give him an estimate to repair everything on the Kia - all wear items and mostly suspension components (struts, etc.). He thinks that these repairs will give him 1 or possibly 2 more years with it. We are aware of the current car market - sigh.

Any one here familiar with and/or have opinions of the Toyota CH-R? The reported low engine power and cramped back seats are not a concern. Reliability as a daily driver is the key priority. It's low popularity might make it a better financial option.

Thanks!!
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If he has had good luck with kia why not look at another soul .
i'm sure a better deal can be had with kia than toyota. ??
 
No go for me and I been leasing toys since 2011.. very cramped sluggish engine transmission. They handle decent enough but I just can't get past the looks.
 
He would have to carefully look at which Kia/Hyundai's are part of their current engine debacle problems, CVT reliability, etc..

Thanks for the excellent suggestion hemiton. And again, reliability is the highest priority. dennnywires, his current Kia Soul 1.6L worked just fine, and it is not a performer or looker either.
 
doitmyself said:
He would have to carefully look at which Kia/Hyundai's are part of their current engine debacle problems, CVT reliability, etc..

Thanks for the excellent suggestion hemiton. And again, reliability is the highest priority. dennnywires, his current Kia Soul 1.6L worked just fine, and it is not a performer or looker either.
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Souls are cute in my book
 
It has low owner satisfaction from owners who've given feedback on Consumers Reports. It gets a 1 out of 5.


From the Consumers Reports road test review:
Noise
The C-HR is quite loud. The CVT causes the engine revs to shoot up, creating a lot of engine noise a lot of the time. We found ourselves checking to see if the windows were up because of the pronounced wind noise at highway speeds.
 
My wife looked at the C-HR before she bought her Rav4. She was concerned the Rav4 would be too large for her to handle and park and such. For the price, the Rav4 is a lot more vehicle. My wife drives almost 30k miles a year and most of that is doing 80 mph on the NJ Turnpike. I'd only consider the C-HR if we lived in an urban environment where the smaller size is an asset and didn't do much high speed driving.
 
I would avoid anything with CVT. Stick with a manual, conventional automatic, or DCT. We are finding too many problems even with the second and third generation CVTs. One of my colleagues believes that for most of the lower end manufacturer's, the CVT is just a "stop gap low cost solution" as they continue to migrate to EVs or Hybrids.
 
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I would avoid anything with CVT.
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I agree, but many of the more reliable car makers (Honda and Toyota) have been migrating to CVTs for a while. Unfortunately they're the future. Give me an Aisin 6-speed over any CVT. Mazda seems to be the only hold-out, and good for them. Partnering with Toyota was a good decision.
 
I have a friend who desperately wants a C-HR (if he could afford it). he's a Toyota fanboi, Loves the aesthetic of it.
neither of us has ever driven one. I know nothing about them, with the exception of where Toyota builds it, which is a deal killer for me. for political reasons.
It's built in Turkey. My issue isn't with the Turkish people, I just don't want to support the Erdoğan government if can help it.

I have no problems with imports, I drove a Hyundai for the better part of a decade. same for said friend, he's currently driving and making payments on a Japanese built Mazda 3.
 
Wrenchturner44 said:
I would avoid anything with CVT. Stick with a manual, conventional automatic, or DCT. We are finding too many problems even with the second and third generation CVTs. One of my colleagues believes that for most of the lower end manufacturer's, the CVT is just a "stop gap low cost solution" as they continue to migrate to EVs or Hybrids.
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I'd rather have a CVT than a DCT :rolleyes:

Dual clutches have no place in non-performance daily drivers. The shift quality is awful, and they are high-maintenance. Not good in traffic, and you must use the paddles to get anything out of it for good driving. Leaving the car in D will give you weird shifting.

Honda makes the best CVT, but Toyota should be good, too. Almost any modern CVT is fine as long as it's not Nissan :sneaky:

rob1715 said:
I agree, but many of the more reliable car makers (Honda and Toyota) have been migrating to CVTs for a while. Unfortunately they're the future. Give me an Aisin 6-speed over any CVT. Mazda seems to be the only hold-out, and good for them. Partnering with Toyota was a good decision.
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The Aisin 6-speed is one of the best FWD automatics out there today.
The ZF 8-speed is the best RWD transmission out there today.

GM has mostly stayed with regular automatics, too.
The only GM cars with are CVT is the Spark and Malibu (yes, they still make it! :D)
The only GM car with a DCT is the C8
 
slacktide_bitog said:
I'd rather have a CVT than a DCT :rolleyes:

Dual clutches have no place in non-performance daily drivers. The shift quality is awful, and they are high-maintenance. Not good in traffic, and you must use the paddles to get anything out of it for good driving. Leaving the car in D will give you weird shifting.

Honda makes the best CVT, but Toyota should be good, too. Almost any modern CVT is fine as long as it's not Nissan :sneaky:



The Aisin 6-speed is one of the best FWD automatics out there today.
The ZF 8-speed is the best RWD transmission out there today.

GM has mostly stayed with regular automatics, too.
The only GM cars with are CVT is the Spark and Malibu (yes, they still make it! :D)
The only GM car with a DCT is the C8
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DCT really are not that great, unless it’s a dedicated track car. Even BMW is not using them anymore in favour of a traditional automatic that can now shift faster than the DCT they used to use.
 
Sounds like he drives a lot, he should get a Prius. I hear there's good rebates for the plug in Prius Prime, @eljefino got one for like $18k or $19k I think.
 
Thanks for all the great replies. It gives us some things to look into. That it is made in Turkey is interesting. We both dislike CVT's, GDI, and turbos, but it is getting difficult to find cars without one or more of these features. His miles per year has dropped drastically.
 
rob1715 said:
I agree, but many of the more reliable car makers (Honda and Toyota) have been migrating to CVTs for a while. Unfortunately they're the future. Give me an Aisin 6-speed over any CVT. Mazda seems to be the only hold-out, and good for them. Partnering with Toyota was a good decision.
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I have the Aisin 6-speed in my 2016 Toyota Avalon: absolutely love the thing. I also had the first 8-speed Aisin put out in a passenger production car, and that thing was truly amazing and bullet proof (2007 Lexus LS460).
 
earlyre said:
I have a friend who desperately wants a C-HR (if he could afford it). he's a Toyota fanboi, Loves the aesthetic of it.
neither of us has ever driven one. I know nothing about them, with the exception of where Toyota builds it, which is a deal killer for me. for political reasons. It's built in Turkey. My issue isn't with the Turkish people, I just don't want to support the Erdoğan government if can help it.

I have no problems with imports, I drove a Hyundai for the better part of a decade. same for said friend, he's currently driving and making payments on a Japanese built Mazda 3.
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Nobody cares, but the one(s) on our local lot are made in Japan. Not sure how much weight "final assembly in Japan" carries though.

Man (Captain obvious here) it is a brutal time for car shopping, new or used. The price difference between 2 year old, 25,000 miles +/- used vs. new is very tiny in this price bracket. If one can find a creampuff owned by an uninformed old person, maybe a deal exists.
 
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