Toyota 0W-20 (beside previous VOAs)

[Bruce T]

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Honda Toyota Red RLI

Genuine Genuine Line Bio-Syn

0W20 0W20 0W20 0W20

WEAR METALS:

Iron………………………. 1 2 2 1

Copper……………….. 0 1 0 0

Tin………………….……. 6 12 8 0

Lead…………………….. 0 0 0 1

Chromium……………. 0 0 0 0

Nickel…………………. 0 0 0 0

Aluminum………….. 1 2 2 0

Titanium……………. 0 0 0 0

Silver……………….. 0 0 0 0



ADDITIVE METALS:

Calcium….…………. 1545 1809 2213 1893

Magnesium…….…. 8 17 14 10

Zinc…..………………. 833 913 1565 1041

Phosphorous……. 831 900 1219 769

Barium……...……… 4 14 2 0

Molybdenum………. 1065 1200 1290 0

Antimony………….. 0 0 0 206



CONTAMINANT METALS:

Silicon…………….… 3 42 33 1

Sodium……..………… 3 5 34 10

Boron……….……….. 63 184 19 13

Potassium…………. 0 0 0 0

Vanadium………….. 0 0 0 0



PHYSICAL AND OTHER:

Viscosity 40°C 40.4 40.2 43.4 43.5

Viscosity 100°C 8.7 8.9 8.3 8.4

Viscosity Index 203 212 171 174

Flash(CCCFP)°F 410 375 395 410

TAN…………...………… 1.40 1.83 2.12 0.61

TBN……..…………….. 5.2 6.7 6.8 6.3

Oxidation…………. 16 15 158 152

Nitration…………… 4 6 7 6

Water by KF……. 1226 1490 1676 1553

Fuel……..………….. 0.07 0.62 0 0

Soot………..……….. 0 0 0 0

Glycol……...….. 0.12 0 0 0

Sulfate byprod. 22 20 106 122



This VOA is from Dyson Analysis, which has an exclusive agreement with MRT Laboratories for their premium test kits. For comparison, I’ve inserted the Toyota VOA between the previous 0W-20 oils, since all four samples were recently tested by the same lab. See the previous thread for a discussion of elemental readings, flash point, KF, etc.

Toyota 0W-20 is probably a Group III-IV mixture. The manufacturer is still not known, perhaps Eneos. When I opened the bottle, I noticed the rancid smell of esters, as I did with Mobil 1 Extended Performance, Red Line, and RLI (but not Honda). This is speculation, since I can’t confirm the presence, type, or quantity of esters without further chemical analysis.

The Toyota 0W-20 had stirred up my curiosity, since rcy had mixed results with his labs. Don’t worry, rcy, not every result is different from Wear Check and Toromont (ha).

Some numbers are higher: moly, silicon, sodium, calcium, phosphorous, zinc, etc. This could be because Terry’s lab uses a Rotrode Spectrometer, which can measure particles up to 10 microns (not 2 microns like ICP), so the ppm will be higher. Terry did double-check the moly reading. To avoid this kind of issue, everyone who orders a used oil analysis should order a VOA from the same lab.

I noticed that the Toromont viscosity of 8.85@100° C is very close to mine at 8.9. While the flash point at 375° F is lower than the others, Terry did not think this was cause for concern. Also, please keep in mind this is using the Continuously Closed Cup Flash Point (CCCFP), so add 30-50° F to get the Cleveland Open Cup (COC).

 

[crazyoildude]

If i dont know who makes the oil i stay away from it..

 

[dkryan]

Are the numbers for the silicon for the Toyo and RL correct? If those are correct, would they somehow become lower in value through 7-8k miles of use?

If not, it would instantly make one believe they had a serious air intake leak.

What am I missing (besides focusing on that glaring number)?

 

[dkryan]

And Bruce T,

thanks for posting those VOAs!

 

[Bruce T]

Yes, the silicon numbers are correct. This is not detecting a harmful form of silicon (like dirt), but rather an additive that isn't harmful to the engine. I really can't say more, since I'm not allowed to discuss Terry's comments.

 

[river_rat]

So these are all virgin oils, or is one a used oil analysis? I'm not clear.

 

[JohnBrowning]

Notice how far off the nitration levels and sulfur byproducts where whitht he oils highest in ester content. POE requires a recalibration if I am not mistaken in order to get accurate readings when testing an oil high in esters. Also the sulfur byproducts are not byproducts at all. My VP all ester 5W30 specificaly states it uses a propitary sulfur based extreme pressure additive on the label. Plus their are other sources for the sulfar that are not by products.

 

[Bruce T]

Yes, all four are VOAs.

 

[Bruce T]

John, you probably meant oxidation levels instead of nitration? Yes, I believe it could relate to synthetic or esters, but beyond that, I don't know much about it. Right, these VOAs are reading sulfur-based products in new oil, not byproducts.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
If i dont know who makes the oil i stay away from it..


Even it the VOA indicates a robust oil? I highly doubt that Toyota is having oil made in someone's basement.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: dkryan
And Bruce T,

thanks for posting those VOAs!


+1 It's nice to see 'some' numbers similar to the other two labs that I had test the same oil.

 

[postjeeprcr]

From what I have read on here Esters have no smell.

Since POE virtually has no smell, you are most likely smelling the LS compound. Posted by Molakule in the ATF section.

So it is probably additives in the oil you are smelling.

 

[CATERHAM]

Bruce T, thanks for testing and posting the US version of the Toyota brand 0W-20.
While I didn't have any doubt that the US version was the same as the different bottled Canadian version it's nice to know conclusively that the contents are identical.

The manufacturer spec's for this oil are as follows:
100C vis 8.8 cSt
40C vis 39.3 cSt
VI 214
Flash Point Over 200C (392F)

Concerning the origin of this oil.
We know it's made in the States (says so on the bottle) and we know there are only two companies, both Japanese, that make a 200 VI 0W-20 motor oil. They are Idemitsu and Nippon Oil.
Both have set up recent manufacturing facilities in the US.
Idemitsu's plant is in Jacksonville Indiana and they do make the Honda 0W-20 product.
Nippon Oil Lubricants (America) LLC has their plant in Childersberg Alabama. Nippon Oil has their own brand ENEOS and they do have a 200 VI 0W-20. While I haven't had it confirmed I am certain that the Nippon Alabama plant makes the 0W-20 oil for Toyota.

 

[CATERHAM]

Correction, the Idemitsu plant is in Jeffersonville, Indiana not Jacksonville.

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Yes, all four are VOAs.

Thanks. Toyota's looks like a pretty stout oil.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: river_rat
Toyota's looks like a pretty stout oil.


For sure its VOA #s are impressive. It would be great if it is able to hold its viscosity in the real world for 5k miles.

 

[CATERHAM]

We only have one UOA posted so far on the Toyota oil and a 9% shear is certainly not bad and RLI isn't any better.
Even after 5200 miles it's VI is still higher than any other 20wt with the possible exception of the Honda oil.

 

[river_rat]

Ya. Has there been a problem with that, that you know of?

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
it's VI is still higher than any other 20wt with the possible exception of the Honda oil.


I will look but off hand do you recall seeing some used oil analysis of the Honda 0W20?

 

[CATERHAM]

There are none other than a 1450 mile UOA FF on a recent 2009 Acura TL. It's mislabeled as a 5W-20. It shows little if any shear but of course the mileage is low an it's not the domestic made oil.
I don't know any BITOG members who are using the Honda oil so it could be a very long time before we start to see any used oil analysis.