I think those engines are made by either Mitsubishi or Daihatsu depending on size. So they aren't really made by B&S in Japan. They're not made by B&S at all.
That would certainly explain the quality of them...
TORO 20057 Super Recycler - The BEST mower to buy.
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I think those engines are made by either Mitsubishi or Daihatsu depending on size. So they aren't really made by B&S in Japan. They're not made by B&S at all.
That would certainly explain the quality of them...
Granted, the 5 Year starting guarantee really only is affected by how the owner treats his equipment. IF anyone thinks that they can start a mowing season on last years gas, they need medical help, (mental)... What was the major deciding factor im MY purchase was the FULL 5 YEAR WARRANTY, covering the mechanical aspects of the mower.. Enuf said....
Hank
The 5 year real warranty is a good deal no question. You have to wonder about manufacturers that claim their equipment is so long lived but won't provide a warranty that backs it up. Credit where credit is due. Toro actually stepped up to the plate and did it.
The Toro is a very good mower. I have a part-time job as owner of a landscapping co. I have a Snapper 21" mower that I bought last year that has a personal pace rear drive and a 6.5 horse Kawasaki. It also has a filter. I was floored when I bought the replacement filter at the dealer--$22 dollars for a freaken filter from Kawasaki. It was then I went to the NAPA site and found I could buy the same filter for around $6! Although, I say your 5 year warranty is much better than the Snapper. Wish you many years of happy mowing!
Thanks Hank for sharing your experience about the 20057. I literally was getting ready to post a question about Toro mowers. You have helped me with my decision for sure!
I have a 3 year old Cub RWD mower with a Kawasaki engine that I purchased in hopes of having a good quality mower that would last for years and years. NOPE. I hate this thing. I maintain it extremely well too. Last year it blew a head gasket and I was told this was VERY common. I noticed that instead of the usual 8-10 pulls to start it, it was taking even more, then no start at all. It is a heavy cumbersome mower that I never know if will start or not. The mower was almost $500.00 to boot. I have nursed it long enough. I am buying a Toro next week.
I have a riding JD mower. It's a $6000 X520 with the Kawasaki liquid cooled power plant. It was in the shop 3 times within 60 days of purchasing it for 2 new carbs. It is a beast though and has the locking rear diff. I need for my acre+ lot with large drainage ditch. I researched JD push mowers and found that they ain't no good these days. No oil filter on any of them, and they cost big $$$.
I have no issue with B&S engines, I just want a reliable mower for my hard earned cash. That Toro looks like just the thing.
I have a 3 year old Cub RWD mower with a Kawasaki engine that I purchased in hopes of having a good quality mower that would last for years and years. NOPE. I hate this thing. I maintain it extremely well too. Last year it blew a head gasket and I was told this was VERY common. I noticed that instead of the usual 8-10 pulls to start it, it was taking even more, then no start at all. It is a heavy cumbersome mower that I never know if will start or not. The mower was almost $500.00 to boot. I have nursed it long enough. I am buying a Toro next week.
I have a riding JD mower. It's a $6000 X520 with the Kawasaki liquid cooled power plant. It was in the shop 3 times within 60 days of purchasing it for 2 new carbs. It is a beast though and has the locking rear diff. I need for my acre+ lot with large drainage ditch. I researched JD push mowers and found that they ain't no good these days. No oil filter on any of them, and they cost big $$$.
I have no issue with B&S engines, I just want a reliable mower for my hard earned cash. That Toro looks like just the thing.
I purchased the 20055 which doesn't have the oil filter, etc. but is still an excellent mower for $500. It's a good thing I didn't find the 20057 until after I made my purchase b/c $630 is maybe a little more than what I had to spend at the time.
Agreed- wanted the 20057 but purchased the 55 instead. Great mower-no complaints For the past 12 years we have owned the property, I always bagged the clippings-not anymore-mulches so well, you do not have to bag saves me 20 mins each week
I purchased a 20057 off of ebay for $615 shipped. My main goal was to have a superior mulcher that my fiance would enjoy using. I waffled between the 20055 and the 57 for a while, then decided to splurge. I'm sure I'd be happy with either though as they are the same, except for the engine.
I do not consider this to be a light mower, but it is very well balanced. The only time you realy feel the weight is if you have to lift the entire mower. It does not start on the first pull when cold, but always starts on the second and requires only enough pull to get the motor spinning. You don't have to yank on it. When warm, it starts on the first gentle pull.
I really like the personal pace system. You simply forget it's there. You just walk and the mower stays ahead of you. I do believe that a mower in this price range should have a blade clutch. You can get that with the 56 or 58, but you can't have the Intek with the clutch.
The mulching is simply phenomenal. It does not bog at all in my thick St. Augustine, and the clippings are not visible except on the sidewalk and driveway, and even then they are very fine and blow away with a good breeze. I was tired of either having clippings kill patches of grass or having to bag them and watch my fertilizer go out with the trash.
I could have saved some money by going with a push Super or the Recycler(Non-Super) but I knew my fiance would not use a push mower, and I wanted the higher quality drive components of the SR as well as the aluminum deck. The deck does not make the mower much lighter, just rust-proof. The difference between a steel-deck Recycler and an aluminum deck Super is only 2 pounds. Not enough to matter.
My fiance simply adores the mower. She had tried pushing out old Murray aroud and simply was not up the job, but can handle the personal pace 20057 with no problems. She also has no problems starting, except when she forgets to prime it when cold.
I did encounter a problem right off. The left wheel over-run key had sheared off and left it with one wheel drive. It did not effect the operation of the mower except when going through a patch of wet grass, when the right wheel would spin. Otherwise I'd of probably not noticed it. My fiance never did. The key was $4.10 and took 5 minutes to replace. I'm sure the warranty would have covered it, but it was a simple fix and I could do it myself easier than taking the mower in. From my reseach, if there is a true defect in the mower, the warranty will cover it with little trouble. That said, 90% of small-engine trouble is due to leaving unstabilized gas in the tank. It is unreasonable to expect a manufacturer to cover abuse.
As for build quality and reliability, I believe you might be able to do better, but not at it's price point and feature content.
I've heard some say that it is still splash lubed, while others say it is pressure lubed. I don't know which it is, or if maybe it is a mix, but what I wanted the filter for was to keep the oil clean. It will do that no matter how the lubrication is achieved.
Best mower? "Best" is such a relative term. After all of my research, I do believe it is the best mulcher. I also believe that it's mowing quality is probably near the top, if not the best in a rotary mower. It's ease of use is top-notch, requiring no instruction to my fiance, beyond that of our last low-budget push mower. The Personal Pace system is intuitive enough for anyone to figure out. Basically, check the gas and oil, push the primer 3 times, pull in the blade brake, give two gentle tugs to the starter rope, and then start walking while holding the drive handle. Stop waliking and the mower stops. Easy as pie...
I do not consider this to be a light mower, but it is very well balanced. The only time you realy feel the weight is if you have to lift the entire mower. It does not start on the first pull when cold, but always starts on the second and requires only enough pull to get the motor spinning. You don't have to yank on it. When warm, it starts on the first gentle pull.
I really like the personal pace system. You simply forget it's there. You just walk and the mower stays ahead of you. I do believe that a mower in this price range should have a blade clutch. You can get that with the 56 or 58, but you can't have the Intek with the clutch.
The mulching is simply phenomenal. It does not bog at all in my thick St. Augustine, and the clippings are not visible except on the sidewalk and driveway, and even then they are very fine and blow away with a good breeze. I was tired of either having clippings kill patches of grass or having to bag them and watch my fertilizer go out with the trash.
I could have saved some money by going with a push Super or the Recycler(Non-Super) but I knew my fiance would not use a push mower, and I wanted the higher quality drive components of the SR as well as the aluminum deck. The deck does not make the mower much lighter, just rust-proof. The difference between a steel-deck Recycler and an aluminum deck Super is only 2 pounds. Not enough to matter.
My fiance simply adores the mower. She had tried pushing out old Murray aroud and simply was not up the job, but can handle the personal pace 20057 with no problems. She also has no problems starting, except when she forgets to prime it when cold.
I did encounter a problem right off. The left wheel over-run key had sheared off and left it with one wheel drive. It did not effect the operation of the mower except when going through a patch of wet grass, when the right wheel would spin. Otherwise I'd of probably not noticed it. My fiance never did. The key was $4.10 and took 5 minutes to replace. I'm sure the warranty would have covered it, but it was a simple fix and I could do it myself easier than taking the mower in. From my reseach, if there is a true defect in the mower, the warranty will cover it with little trouble. That said, 90% of small-engine trouble is due to leaving unstabilized gas in the tank. It is unreasonable to expect a manufacturer to cover abuse.
As for build quality and reliability, I believe you might be able to do better, but not at it's price point and feature content.
I've heard some say that it is still splash lubed, while others say it is pressure lubed. I don't know which it is, or if maybe it is a mix, but what I wanted the filter for was to keep the oil clean. It will do that no matter how the lubrication is achieved.
Best mower? "Best" is such a relative term. After all of my research, I do believe it is the best mulcher. I also believe that it's mowing quality is probably near the top, if not the best in a rotary mower. It's ease of use is top-notch, requiring no instruction to my fiance, beyond that of our last low-budget push mower. The Personal Pace system is intuitive enough for anyone to figure out. Basically, check the gas and oil, push the primer 3 times, pull in the blade brake, give two gentle tugs to the starter rope, and then start walking while holding the drive handle. Stop waliking and the mower stops. Easy as pie...
"Best mower? "Best" is such a relative term."
It's true...the absolute best mower is one the lawn service pushes while you sit on the screened-in porch sipping lemonade or something a little stronger.
It's true...the absolute best mower is one the lawn service pushes while you sit on the screened-in porch sipping lemonade or something a little stronger.
You can build a 5,000 dollar bicycle and still have to pedal it.
There are robotic mowers...
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I bought a 20057 last Spring and it's great.
Fantastic mulching capability and runs even better with Amsoil 10W-30/30W syn.
Anyone know which NGK spark plug fits this?
Fantastic mulching capability and runs even better with Amsoil 10W-30/30W syn.
Anyone know which NGK spark plug fits this?
I think most, if not all Kawasaki small engines are made in USA. Both of my mowers have USA built Kawasaki OHV engines. My JD JX-75 self-propelled walk behind has a 6.5hp single and my 36" SCAG has a 13hp V-twin. The JD has been 100% reliable so far after 9 years. The SCAG had a 12.5hp flat head USA made Kawasaki single but the cost of the repairs to get it running was as much as a new engine so I just replaced it with the V-twin. It started running like ---- not because of bad design or poor quality but rather a lack of maintenance on my brother's part. Now that I have the SCAG, it should run fine for a long time to come.
I have had the 20057 for 3 years and 3 houses (Move alot for the job). I has been a great mower and is very versitile for the different grass types I have had at my homes. My only complaint is that sometimes the personal pace is a bit tricky when you need to back up at the end of a row. It will not unlock unless you actually "push" the mover forward the last foot. No biggie, just took some getting used to.
Easy to start and easy to use, but the wife still will not touch it. Might be due to the 3 foot rattlesnake she ran over at our home in Florida when trying to do me a favor by mowing the lawn while I was out of town. That was a heck of a phone call.
Easy to start and easy to use, but the wife still will not touch it. Might be due to the 3 foot rattlesnake she ran over at our home in Florida when trying to do me a favor by mowing the lawn while I was out of town. That was a heck of a phone call.
I am trying to decide which to purchase. The 20055 or the 20057 with OHV. Sounds like the main difference is $130.00.
What are some advantages of the OHV on the 20057?
This mower will be for my daugher so easy starting would be big plus.
Will the OHV 20057 start easier than the 20055 with side valves?
What are some advantages of the OHV on the 20057?
This mower will be for my daugher so easy starting would be big plus.
Will the OHV 20057 start easier than the 20055 with side valves?
I agree this mower is ONE OF THE Best mowers out there today!!!! I literally beat the [censored] out of it and the Briggs never skips a beat! The oil filter is a great addition to the durable InTek motor. BTW if you want to cross-refrence it to something, it uses the same filter as a 1997-2001 Toyota Camry 2.2 I4.
JTK
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The Toro 20057 is indeed a kick-a mower. Cast aluminum deck, nice smooth, fuel efficient OHV engine, list goes on:
Joel
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Oh yeah, the fuel efficiency is great! I can my my whole yard on a 1/2 tank!
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