Tired of Pennzoil Bashing

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Beating a dead horse here, but I don't even read any oil related threads on any of the other automotive forums I frequent. Mis-information and half truths, etc. run amok. I guess I shouldn't let it bother me too much. These fools are just missing out on some excellent oil and are really too lazy to come to this site and learn something. Typical behaviour of Zipper Heads.

But I started thinking about the time frame that all the talk about waxy build up starts and it seems like it started happening in "the old days", perhaps in the 1960's.

This got me thinking further and I recall there were two kinds of Pennzoil back then. One had the red band and red labeling on the top of the can; the other kind had the black band and black labeling.

My father told me that the red labeled can was the HD oil and contained detergents. The black labeled can did not contain detergents. Dad does not pretend to be an oil expert either. He could be wrong.

But I wonder if all the wax build up stories/myths are because people were using the non-detergent oil?
 
Well, look at the bright side. Isn't YBP the #1 selling conventional oil?
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Originally Posted By: buster
Well, look at the bright side. Isn't YBP the #1 selling conventional oil?
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Leaves more YBP and Platinum for us believers!
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Don't let it bother you, it sure does not bother me. Every time I hear someone throwing out B S like that I just figure that I have found another person dumber than I am.
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Your Dad is correct, and I know a lot of folks that use to do that very thing. Something about teaching an old dog new tricks or leading a horse to water, or something like that.
 
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My next fill in my Tacoma will be YB. I love the stuff! Some people are just ignorant.
 
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I'd love to cry with you guys about how bad Pennzoil has it, with these decades old negative generalizations about it flying around the uneducated public. But there was some other automotive company who was dealing with the same thing, about 10000 times worse, just can't remember their name...

Seriously, though, all Pennzoil can do is make a top tier product and eventually these myths will fade away. And it seems to me that's what they are doing. And as a top seller, it seems they're on the downhill side of this.
 
It's hard to learn a new trick I guess. Pennziol looks to be a good product nowadays. In the late 70's I cleaned out many a motor that was full of the Pennzoil jelly. This don't make me a fool or ignorant because a product was no good years ago.

I don't bad talk the stuff, and I don't use it either. It just was a poor product in the 70's. I don't pull many nasty motors apart anymore, maybe a day will come that I might actually try it, maybe.
 
I used Pennzoil a lot back in the 60's, and worked in two different gas stations where it was our standard fill when doing oil changes. The "parrafin myth" was already active at that time, but it was always "20 years ago" that it happened.

I never saw a waxed up engine, and never met anybody who could actually point me to one. Kinda like UFO's, ya gotta just believe.

Now, here on BITOG some are perpetuating the myth! IT seems like if it really happened ever, there would be published information on this, not just anecdotes.

Now, let me tell you about the 200 mpg carburetor that accidentally got put on this guys car..........
 
Originally Posted By: fsskier
I used Pennzoil a lot back in the 60's, and worked in two different gas stations where it was our standard fill when doing oil changes. The "parrafin myth" was already active at that time, but it was always "20 years ago" that it happened.

I never saw a waxed up engine, and never met anybody who could actually point me to one. Kinda like UFO's, ya gotta just believe.

Now, here on BITOG some are perpetuating the myth! IT seems like if it really happened ever, there would be published information on this, not just anecdotes.

Now, let me tell you about the 200 mpg carburetor that accidentally got put on this guys car..........



That reads like you are trying to slam me for providing a little back ground I had on the subject. No myth here wise guy.
 
I say use it or don't use it. It's a very good oil and my truck does very well with it. I switch up now and then but that is because Valvoline might be on sale. Usually, YB is the best bargain at WM.
 
I use PP in my STS.....
Could care less about [censored] that happened 70 years ago...their oil kicks butt now
 
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Originally Posted By: KW
That reads like you are trying to slam me for providing a little back ground I had on the subject. No myth here wise guy.


Don't take it personally, but your story is as anecdotal as the rest of them.

What led you to conclude that the engines with "jelly" used Pennzoil for a majority of their lives? Is it possible there were other mechanical problems with those engines (bad PCV, thermostat, etc) that led to sludging?
 
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Don't take it personally, but your story is as anecdotal as the rest of them.

What led you to conclude that the engines with "jelly" used Pennzoil for a majority of their lives? Is it possible there were other mechanical problems with those engines (bad PCV, thermostat, etc) that led to sludging?



You are correct, most of them did die an awful death. The empty oil cans left in the cars was my clue the the oil used. I guess any oil would have done the same under those conditions.
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Originally Posted By: KW
It's hard to learn a new trick I guess. Pennziol looks to be a good product nowadays. In the late 70's I cleaned out many a motor that was full of the Pennzoil jelly. This don't make me a fool or ignorant because a product was no good years ago.

I don't bad talk the stuff, and I don't use it either. It just was a poor product in the 70's. I don't pull many nasty motors apart anymore, maybe a day will come that I might actually try it, maybe.


My experience tracks with yours, except I still saw some sludge monsters into the early-to-mid 80s.. Then I pretty much stopped finding sludge in engines at all. I wouldn't hesitate to use today's Pennzoil but even though I *know* its a good product today and has been for many years now, part of my mind still remembers the bad times. Shows how long a bad product can haunt a company.
 
Sadly, Pennzoil, Mobil 1, Amsoil (fill in the blank) get bashed. Its just the way some people are, there not happy unless they have criticism and drama. There the type of people that when they get old, they will chastise your kids for walking on there lawn.
 
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Originally Posted By: SIXXDOGG
I use PP in my STS.....
Could care less about [censored] that happened 70 years ago...their oil kicks butt now



Was oil even a refined product 70 years ago?
 
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