Tire Recommendations and Experiences

[LordNilesStandish]

To the OP.
Next time you get an alignment get them to set the front camber to -1 to -1.5 degrees, not just 'to spec'.
They may only be able to get max -1 degree with stock bolts which will still help a ton.
Whiteline lower bolts will help get more neg camber if you need it.
Subaru's need negative camber, especially if your doing a lot of spirited or Mountain driving.
I've read of people running -2 deg on street without reported issue.
Your tires will last longer and may notice slightly improved handling.

 

[edyvw]

My reply is not the definition of gaslighting, yours was.

I was putting my thought process in layman's terms for you since you seemed to be missing the point. So for the at least the 3rd time..... I wanted to give the OP another option based on cost which would (could) better suit his needs despite the need to swap his tire/wheel setup for winter. You mistakenly viewed that as me recommending an "inferior" tire over a cheaper tire. My idea would play in the role of a good non-winter tire for non-winter use for his spirited driving, and a winter tire for winter...which the irony here is... that would be a SAFER option despite YOUR gaslighting where you are trying to manipulate or confuse others based on my ideas.

Your asking of tires for your vehicle in your indirect manner was another topic.

Cheaper but not inferior and somehow safer! Interesting concept. Because cheaper is always safer and not inferior.

 

[edyvw]

The one gaslighting in this situation is yourself. You're trying to create the illusion that if someone doesn't go with the four brands that YOU approve of They are going to die a horrific death which is ridiculous. Many of the second tier brands perform very well in a variety of conditions. And as I have pointed out on numerous occasions, from my own experience some of the first here brands that you like or either bad in snow, bad in rain, and didn't last very long.

My whole life we predominantly bought cheaper tires and lived until the story. The only wreck I was involved in had absolutely nothing to do with the tires and the tires you like would have done absolutely nothing to stop the event. Stop trying to scare people into spending all their money on something that they don't need. My generals and Cooper's outlasted our michelins and continentals and for a lower price.

When people ask for advice, there is nothing wrong with sharing from your experience what worked well for you. Not everybody has that in their budget or they have other priorities that take precedence and there's nothing wrong with that. If you truly want to help them, help them navigate the difference between good second tier tires such as General Altimax ltimax RT45s (which is an objectively great tire) versus Goodyear Eagle LS2 (which is absolutely horrible in all conditions).

Man, this is discussion. As far as I am concerned, you can drive on on rims.
My point was that tire is what makes performance not AWD system as implied. That somehow AWD system is going to make things better (obviously one who mentioned that doesn’t understand what is the purpose of AWD system).
What is the difference? General is budget brand of Continental. There will be less resistance to punctures, less balanced performance, it will keep INITIAL performance shorter than 1st tier brands.
Your argument how you didn’t get in accident is on par with: “I always drink and drive, and I am fine so far.” That doesn’t work that way. Do you really think Continental charges its tires more than General brand just because? Consumer reports had few years back test of which tires keep initial performance longer. After they run down tires, Michelin, which kept intial performance longest, had braking distance almost 100ft shorter than comparable Yokohama. That is what you pay!

 

[i6pwr]

Cheaper but not inferior and somehow safer! Interesting concept. Because cheaper is always safer and not inferior.

By your rationale, a BFGoodrich Trail Terrain TA would be the safer for spirited driving on a mountain road than a Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06 Plus? The Conti is cheaper but I guess the safety aspect is out the window now right?

This is why I'm saying you're missing the point. You are completely missing the facts about what the OP stated about his driving style and conditions, and what I was suggesting. I never gave any tire brands or models, that's what the OP can decide....IF he ever gives us his tire size...lol.

 

[edyvw]

By your rationale, a BFGoodrich Trail Terrain TA would be the safer for spirited driving on a mountain road than a Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06 Plus? The Conti is cheaper but I guess the safety aspect is out the window now right?

This is why I'm saying you're missing the point. You are completely missing the facts about what the OP stated about his driving style and conditions, and what I was suggesting. I never gave any tire brands or models, that's what the OP can decide....IF he ever gives us his tire size...lol.

I am not sure how did you put in same sentence BFG Trail Terrain and DWS? Do you usually think: hmmm, wanna do some off roading, DWS or Trail Terrain? Did you try Michelin Pilot CUP2 and BFG KO2?

 

[i6pwr]

I am not sure how did you put in same sentence BFG Trail Terrain and DWS? Do you usually think: hmmm, wanna do some off roading, DWS or Trail Terrain? Did you try Michelin Pilot CUP2 and BFG KO2?

Again, you still don't see the point, and have trouble comprehending text. We aren't talking about off-roading...lol, that's your way of gaslighting.....again.

 

[edyvw]

Again, you still don't see the point, and have trouble comprehending text. We aren't talking about off-roading...lol, that's your way of gaslighting.....again.

I fail to see a point bcs. who cross-shops BFG Trail Terrain and DWS06? Tell me, what is THE point here?

 

[i6pwr]

I won't continue with your ridiculous semantics after this, but will aid in your childish behavior.

I fail to see a point bcs. who cross-shops BFG Trail Terrain and DWS06? Tell me, what is THE point here?

Frustrating isn't it that you can't answer your own gaslighting questions?

You said this:

Cheaper but not inferior and somehow safer! Interesting concept. Because cheaper is always safer and not inferior.

For a simple comparison on your own gaslighting, the Conti is cheaper than the BFG. If there is an emphasis on "wet traction" in a 2014 Subaru Forester, I would choose the Conti DWS over a BFG Trail Terrain because it's the "safer choice while being the cheaper (less expensive tire). I would not specifically recommend this for this thread, but did so for you to understand. Do you even remember why we are speaking of different tires in this thread...it's not for YOUR CAR, or a GENERAL CONSUMER DATA BASE, it's for the OP, and my general suggestion for 2 sets (not these) are for the OP, but this statement was for YOUR ridiculous semantics.

Then when you failed again to realize your ridiculousness you said this:

I am not sure how did you put in same sentence BFG Trail Terrain and DWS? Do you usually think: hmmm, wanna do some off roading, DWS or Trail Terrain? Did you try Michelin Pilot CUP2 and BFG KO2?

Who said anything about off roading? That again is your gaslighting.

Depends on the circumstances on which tire is better suited for what condition and price doesn't reflect this, but does in your mind. Another example is why would I choose a Trail Terrain for a wet road course over a DWS? The DWS is cheaper (less expensive). Now...only those two tires are the comparison, so please don't add in more tires that are better or worse..

So circling back to your post:

I fail to see a point bcs. who cross-shops BFG Trail Terrain and DWS06? Tell me, what is THE point here?

It's not cross shopping per se, it's a comparison to demonstrate again your invalid idea of why cheaper doesn’t mean a tire is less safe depending on the conditions.

You managed to take a specific recommendation into a generalization in this thread.

Good luck on your endeavors,

 

[edyvw]

I won't continue with your ridiculous semantics after this, but will aid in your childish behavior.


Frustrating isn't it that you can't answer your own gaslighting questions?

You said this:



For a simple comparison on your own gaslighting, the Conti is cheaper than the BFG. If there is an emphasis on "wet traction" in a 2014 Subaru Forester, I would choose the Conti DWS over a BFG Trail Terrain because it's the "safer choice while being the cheaper (less expensive tire). I would not specifically recommend this for this thread, but did so for you to understand. Do you even remember why we are speaking of different tires in this thread...it's not for YOUR CAR, or a GENERAL CONSUMER DATA BASE, it's for the OP, and my general suggestion for 2 sets (not these) are for the OP, but this statement was for YOUR ridiculous semantics.

Then when you failed again to realize your ridiculousness you said this:



Who said anything about off roading? That again is your gaslighting.

Depends on the circumstances on which tire is better suited for what condition and price doesn't reflect this, but does in your mind. Another example is why would I choose a Trail Terrain for a wet road course over a DWS? The DWS is cheaper (less expensive). Now...only those two tires are the comparison, so please don't add in more tires that are better or worse..

So circling back to your post:



It's not cross shopping per se, it's a comparison to demonstrate again your invalid idea of why cheaper doesn’t mean a tire is less safe depending on the conditions.

You managed to take a specific recommendation into a generalization in this thread.

Good luck on your endeavors,

So, why don’t you compare BFG Comp2?
You are taking “cheap” tires. BFG Trail Terrain is NOT cheap tire.
On this planet, where people cross-shop same category of tires, price difference between Continental Terrain Contact A/T and BFG TT is $10 for 245/60 R18 and in some sizes BFG is actually more expensive.
So, again, not sure where you going with it.

 

[i6pwr]

Lol, well.... for the hopeful sake of science...I'll add this.

So, why don’t you compare BFG Comp2?
You are taking “cheap” tires. BFG Trail Terrain is NOT cheap tire.
On this planet, where people cross-shop same category of tires, price difference between Continental Terrain Contact A/T and BFG TT is $10 for 245/60 R18 and in some sizes BFG is actually more expensive.
So, again, not sure where you going with it.

I already said this, obviously you missed it.

I said get a "cheap" set of tires, meaning.....lower priced.

The Conti is cheaper then the BFG, which the BFG is more expensive...duh.

Then I said this, in which you missed again:

The DWS is cheaper (less expensive). Now...only those two tires are the comparison, so please don't add in more tires that are better or worse..

Not sure how you missed all that content, maybe because your state was one of the first to legalize? Who knows but you obviously cannot grasp the context of this.

 

[edyvw]

Lol, well.... for the hopeful sake of science...I'll add this.




I already said this, obviously you missed it.



The Conti is cheaper then the BFG, which the BFG is more expensive...duh.

Then I said this, in which you missed again:



Not sure how you missed all that content, maybe because your state was one of the first to legalize? Who knows but you obviously cannot grasp the context of this.

You said in your original post, which made me answer to you "cheap," NOT cheaper. $240 compared to $245 is cheaper. But NOT cheap by any measure in let say 245/60 R18 size.
Now, in the same size you can buy Mojave tires, which are $108! THAT IS a cheap tire!

 

[i6pwr]

You said in your original post, which made me answer to you "cheap," NOT cheaper. $240 compared to $245 is cheaper. But NOT cheap by any measure in let say 245/60 R18 size.
Now, in the same size you can buy Mojave tires, which are $108! THAT IS a cheap tire!

Does that size fit on a 2014 Subaru Forester???? Your mind is way outside the scope of this thread. Welcome to a week ago, now you are basically trolling.

Get with the program.

 

[edyvw]

Does that size fit on a 2014 Subaru Forester???? Your mind is way outside the scope of this thread. Welcome to a week ago, now you are basically trolling.

Get with the program.

I am giving you an example of prices. Range will be similar for Forester. But I see this is really complicated for you.
But then you compared BFG trail Terrain and DWS06, and think that AWD makes tires better. So not really a surprise.

 

[i6pwr]

I am giving you an example of prices. Range will be similar for Forester. But I see this is really complicated for you.
But then you compared BFG trail Terrain and DWS06, and think that AWD makes tires better. So not really a surprise.

Seriously....please stop trolling.

 

[edyvw]

Seriously....please stop trolling.

I mean, it would be easier for you to try to understand that. But, I can see why you think it is trolling.

 

[LordNilesStandish]

I don't understand why there is such a massive debate.
My understanding is that north American subaru owners only ever ran conti DWS 06 or Michelin PS04s.
Since it snows there OP can only run DWS 06 or be excomunicated from the entire north American Subaru community!

 

[edyvw]

I don't understand why there is such a massive debate.
My understanding is that north American subaru owners only ever ran conti DWS 06 or Michelin PS04s.
Since it snows there OP can only run DWS 06 or be excomunicated from the entire north American Subaru community!

Lol, IMO, if OP wants one tire (which I would not do it) Michelin CC2 is the way to go.

 

[LordNilesStandish]

Lol, IMO, if OP wants one tire (which I would not do it) Michelin CC2 is the way to go.

Looks like a nice tire.
I was thinking, since they off road with a payload a snow rated AT would be good. Falken has some good options here depending on profile.
They need to address camber per my previous post to get best from tires IMHO.

 

[edyvw]

Looks like a nice tire.
I was thinking, since they off road with a payload a snow rated AT would be good. Falken has some good options here depending on profile.
They need to address camber per my previous post to get best from tires IMHO.

For light off road I would go Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 if available in that size.
The problem is that while terrain tire might have 3PMSF, it usually compromises wet performance for added ice performance. I know Falken Wildpeak is popular among SUbaru owners. Maybe worth of looking. Firestone Destination LE2 is also popular. Not sure how it holds over time.

 

[Rand]

For light off road I would go Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 if available in that size.
The problem is that while terrain tire might have 3PMSF, it usually compromises wet performance for added ice performance. I know Falken Wildpeak is popular among SUbaru owners. Maybe worth of looking. Firestone Destination LE2 is also popular. Not sure how it holds over time.

The le2 didnt have full depth sipes..
the le3 is a decent upgrade.

OP tires are likely p225/60r17