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[Tom NJ]

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Here is the video I took this data from.

I didn't post every instrumented test but this is kind of the gist of it. To your point, both of the Michelin CC3 and CC3 Sport tires are not available in the states. However, I believe the Pirelli will be released here soon, however Michelin has said the CC3 tires won't be released here in the states because neither tire will meet American customer expectations of tire wear. They say the CC2 and CC2 SUV will continue to be sold for several years here.

I can only assume that the normal CC3 is a better version of the CC2. I haven't seen any data about one versus the other. But in this test, the CC3 places last in almost every test, including last in dry and wet braking, and 3/4 in snow braking.

There are other videos from Tyre Reviews showing that the CC2, Nokian WRG4 and others don't really touch a true studless snow tire's performance in snow conditions.

This is just one test but I would be happy to find more data or perhaps hear from our resident tire engineer @CapriRacer

Those graphs look impressive, until you have a look at the X-axis.

 

[bdc101]

Those graphs look impressive, until you have a look at the X-axis.

All this demonstrates is a profound lack of interest in unbiased graph axes. Also, I don't think any of these tires are the ones being discussed in this thread.

Did you guys come here to not even read the conclusion or the argument but just to post on how you're upset about the way the data is presented? Is three seconds on a 75-second handling course, for example, a significant difference between four tires which are pretty close to the same tire? (The answer is absolutely yes if you know anything about tires)

Also, did you guys read my second posts which didn't have any graphs? Was that what you were looking for? Or did you stop reading before you got to the second post?

 

[bdc101]

I'm not sure what you want me to comment on. If it is whether or not All Season tires have better wet grip than All Weather tires, I would say that there's a lot of variability and I am sure the overlap is large, but on a theoretical basis, I think that is true.

I think this is a great way to say that, and is the same conclusion I think I have been coming to from reading the data.

 

[scrllock]

Did you guys come here to not even read the conclusion or the argument but just to post on how you're upset about the way the data is presented? Is three seconds on a 75-second handling course, for example, a significant difference between four tires which are pretty close to the same tire? (The answer is absolutely yes if you know anything about tires)

Also, did you guys read my second posts which didn't have any graphs? Was that what you were looking for? Or did you stop reading before you got to the second post?

Posting non sequiturs doesn't help your argument.