Timely Question-People Who Know Things.....

[MrCritical]

Do you have firsthand experience or personally know someone whose life was impacted by knowledge outside the normal realm of human perception?

I have a friend whose daughter was killed at Columbine. Her father knew she was very spiritual, but didn't know how deep it went.

After her death, they rummaged through her room looking for answers they didn't really expect to find for what happened. They found several diaries that showed a dedication to making changes in attitudes in herself, and at her school. She apparently knew something tragic was coming in her life, but not all the details.

She had only one diary entry on May 2, 1998.

"This will be my last year, Lord. I have gotten what I can.
Thank you".

Rachel Joy Scott
August 5,1981-April 20, 1999.

 

[Fester]

Was she a Senior? Lots of times I get a sense that somethings gonna happen, it usually does.

 

[MrCritical]

I discounted that she was speaking of her last year in high school due to other writings in the diaries.

"Just passing by/Just coming thru/Not staying long/I always knew/This home I have/will never last".

In a poem about Columbine High she lamented, "Is there anyone to walk with me down these halls of tragedy?"

Less than two hours before the shooting, she was drawing in a notebook in class instead of paying attention. She drew 13 clear tears watering a Columbine flower.

Thirteen people were killed that day.

 

[Gary Allan]

Well, the first thing you do is subject the entire collection of her writings to the same critical eye. It's the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" thingie. Much like the works of Nostradamus, most quote those things that happen to conform to world events ..while they don't seem to bother with those that do not. It's the same with the linear cherry picking of scripture. You grab what fits your view and can't see that which does not. If you do a full inventory ..and stack the + and - ..you get a better view of where YOUR take on it resides in validity ..and may have to reject the notion that your take fits in there at all.

I'll add that I do surely consider myself a spiritual being, albeit heavily weighted in this current plane of existence. I tend to discount most things "magical". I believe that the magic of miracles is within us and how we conduct ourselves. That said, I won't say that precognitive ability is bunk. All things have their impact upon the universe and I imagine that, in some manner, they can be perceived. The future may be one such sensed vibration/impact.

 

[mechtech2]

We are spiritual beings living in bodies.
We can perceive things from time to time.
Beyond the normal realm of human perception?
How about people who die on the operating table, and then are revived. At times they have related in detail the people and events in other rooms in exact detail.
This shows at minimum that there is more than the physical.
We also can be influenced by good or bad spirits. There are Angeles and demons out there.

 

[JAG]

That's amazing and creepy too. My own story is that my former office mate and friend died in a boat accident a few years ago. For a few weeks prior to his death, I had this bad feeling that he was in grave danger but I didn't say anything to him about it. When I heard he died, I was devastated, partly because he died and partly because I felt like I knew it was coming and I did nothing to try to prevent it. It still bothers me to this day. He was only in his late twenties.

I have no doubt that there is much more present than meets our common perceptions.

 

[TooManyWheels]

The Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) studies spiritual anomolies such as this from a scientific viewpoint. Their belief is that there is connectedness and perception across the universe that we are only now starting to get a hint of.

They have a large experiment called the Global Consciousness Project, which has set up random number generators across the globe, to see if they can be effected by global events. A "normal" day should result in "normal" number patterns generated, while significant events should skew the numbers in some way.

Here is an article on some of the results - http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=126649. It appears that even a machine can foretell disturbances. Given this, human perception seems much less mysterious.

 

[Pablo]

So basically we are in a stacked time loop. Sometimes the loops are ever so slightly out of sync.

We have all been here before.

 

[1sttruck]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology

 

[BarkerMan]

In the military were were landing at a fog bound airport almost out of fuel, could not see a thing. The pilot said the runway can't not be there because we are landing. He said we were not going to crash because we all had plans for the weekend. The runway appeared at the very last moment and we landed. It all made perfect sense to the pilot but it scared the [censored] out of everyone else. I think this was the first time I hugged someone I was not related to and it felt good. So I know follow the pilot's advice. If something can't not be there and you did not find it then it just has not showed up yet. If it can't not be there and it is there then you have found it. If you are about to do something, try doing something different instead and it still works. There are things in life that can't not be there and those are the important things. If it really can't be there then maybe it wasn't that important anyhow and you proved it.

Don't sit on a couch and pay someone money to tell you what can't not be there. If it can't not be there they can't tell you. If it can not be there you will just spend money to get confused. In other words if you want to get screwed do it the old fashioned way (fill in the blanks).

 

[Oilgal]

I know that the space time continuum was created, by someone from outside of it, who of course is not subject to the limitations of space and time. He is absolutely everywhere, always, completely aware of all things, and he both can and does tell us of things, past present and future, we could otherwise not know.

He is indescribably generous, merciful, kind, patient, being also far beyond merely wise and good, and he lives within me among many others. If this were not so, my existence would be as it once was, pointless, wholly empty and intolerably lonely.

 

[Oilgal]

BarkerMan

Great post! Thank you.

 

[Shannow]

I've read with great interest the work of Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ of the Stanford Research Institute.

 

[Oldmoparguy1]

Originally Posted By: Oilgal
BarkerMan

Great post! Thank you.

After reading BarkerMan's post, my head hurts...

 

[Footpounds]

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Originally Posted By: Oilgal
BarkerMan

Great post! Thank you.

After reading BarkerMan's post, my head hurts...


Thank you! Mine too.

 

[JHZR2]

OK, time to play Devil's advocate. Not to be rude or discount this girl, but what don't we know? Perhaps she was suicidal and nobody had caught on. THAT DOES happen all the time, unfortunately.

Do the folks who didnt go to the trade towers becuase they woke up with a bad feeling or stomach ache or headache that morning have a "sense" that is that far off?

Interesting and creepy in some ways. But, many things can be looked at many ways. Numbers have many meanings throughout human history, religion, etc. Could 13 have meant something to her and the same or something else to others?

Again, not to discount, but at least in my experience, folks who are "spiritual" poetic, and artsy tend to lean towards the macabre side a bit much sometimes, and perhaps this was just normal reflection for her... crossed with tragedy.

Terrible that she came to an untimely end, and interesting all the same.

JMH

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Well, the first thing you do is subject the entire collection of her writings to the same critical eye. It's the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" thingie.


I agree

 

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Well, the first thing you do is subject the entire collection of her writings to the same critical eye. It's the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" thingie.


I agree


That would be a fruitless endeavor, as there is no objective standard which could be used to prove anything, therefore you automatically interpret the results to fit your point of view.

For example, just suppose she also wrote in her diary that the inner front wheel bearing on her car was about to go bad. A review of subsequent maintenance documentation shows that the OUTER wheel bearing went bad. Do you disregard all of her premonitions, some of them, just the automotive ones?

What is your standard of proof? How do you justify that standard?

My point is that in most philosophical discourse there is a recognition that eventually the discussion devolves to individual belief, as there is no commonly agreed-upon and experienced gold-standard. Each person believes what he believes, and no outside information will convince him otherwise.

 

[MrCritical]

After Rachel Scott's death, her relatives were moving furniture when remodeling a house. They got a surprise when they moved a dresser.

On the back, she had traced the outline of her hands. In the middle she wrote "These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott, and will one day touch millions of peoples lives". Her relatives estimate she was around 13 when she wrote it.

Being as how her funeral was the largest viewing audience ever on CNN, I'd say that came true.

More about the drawing...

A business man named Frank Amedia (sp?)saw the Columbine tragedy on the news. He later had a dream about 13 clear tears watering a Columbine plant. When the tears touched the plant, they turned to blood. He called Rachel's dad Darrell, introduced himself, apologized for calling at such a time, and told Darrell the dream and asked him if it meant anything to him. Darrell said no, but took Amedia's number down and promised to call if anything came of it. Amedia was like 99.9% of America, he had never heard of the Scotts' before the tragedy.

About two weeks later the police released Rachel's personal effects and her dad went to get them. One of them was Rachel's backpack, with a bullet hole through it. When he opened it up her notebook was inside with a bullet hold in it as well. He went to the last page, and saw the same picture Rachel had drawn right before the shooting started. The same picture Frank Amedia saw in his dream.

Did I mention Frank Amedia used to be the drummer for Alice Cooper back in the day?

 

[GeaugaFletcher]

I agree with JHZR2. Interesting, tragic and maybe creepy, but ultimately meaningless. Teenagers prone to writing melodramatic things in their diaries will come up with all kinds of wacky stuff. Coincidence that she was the victim of a true tragedy.

People find whatever way they can to deal with something like this and will force some kind of meaning out of it - especially when there is none!