They jipped you. You probably didn't need the air filter either.
Throttle body service?
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Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
They jipped you. You probably didn't need the air filter either.
16k? He probably did.
3k kit? That's probably a fuel and oil additive.
They jipped you. You probably didn't need the air filter either.
16k? He probably did.
3k kit? That's probably a fuel and oil additive.
Bollocks. No way a [censored] throttle body is dirty at 16K, the air filter isn't even dirty enough to replace at that point. I clean mine every 30K, because I can, most cars never really need it at all. People who are interested in nit-pick maintenance I advise to clean it every 60k-100k.
Sounds like the dealer is starving, not surprising with all the latest news headlines. Up selling unnecessary junk.
Don't get upset about it, just be uber-skeptical next time you go to the dealer. If it's questionable, ask to see the dirty/worn/broken part. If the dealer is reputable, they should have no problem showing you what they're seeing. It is your car, after all.
Sounds like the dealer is starving, not surprising with all the latest news headlines. Up selling unnecessary junk.
Don't get upset about it, just be uber-skeptical next time you go to the dealer. If it's questionable, ask to see the dirty/worn/broken part. If the dealer is reputable, they should have no problem showing you what they're seeing. It is your car, after all.
That;s the last time I go to the Jeep dealer.I though these guys were regular guys with me.I bought the Jeep there , spent time there , actually got a good deal on the vehicle when I bought it.
Thinking of printing out some of the comments here and sending it over to them.I'm hurting too and an unexpected $206 bill was the last thing I needed.
Thinking of printing out some of the comments here and sending it over to them.I'm hurting too and an unexpected $206 bill was the last thing I needed.
Here is the super easiest way you can see if your TB is gunked up:
Touch the gas pedal.
Just touch it.
If you encounter resistance going off idle, you're scraping away a carbon ridge with the throttle blade.
If you have a stick shift you'll feel like you're not that competent or smooth.
If you have an automatic it may lurch and again, feel not smooth.
This does not apply to throttle-by-wire vehicles.
Jeep HQ won't help you. Best recourse is to go back to the dealer and try to get ~half your money back. Give them some blah blah story about how you trust them and will keep going there but you need your oil changes to come in under $80 each time.
Touch the gas pedal.
Just touch it.
If you encounter resistance going off idle, you're scraping away a carbon ridge with the throttle blade.
If you have a stick shift you'll feel like you're not that competent or smooth.
If you have an automatic it may lurch and again, feel not smooth.
This does not apply to throttle-by-wire vehicles.
Jeep HQ won't help you. Best recourse is to go back to the dealer and try to get ~half your money back. Give them some blah blah story about how you trust them and will keep going there but you need your oil changes to come in under $80 each time.
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Next time you're in that situation, let them change the oil, but take everything else they suggest under advisement, post your situation on this board, and we'll help you sort through what you need and what is abject, useless upselling.
walk around the car lot,key some cars, squirt krazy glue in some of the door locks. After a few weeks, send them a letter with none of your fringerprints anywhere on it and tell them that was done for charging for unecessary repairs and maintenance.
Not sure if the Jeep uses DBW, but with such, there's no easy way to pull the throttle body out to service it without having special dealership tools to recalibrate the throttle. I am not sure that you can even depress the throttle with the engine off and have the motorized plate move!
How do we clean the throttle body of a DBW engine?
How do we clean the throttle body of a DBW engine?
I know that with my '96 car. i can hook up the scanguage and even if the engine is off,it'll still show the throttle position opening reading.
Originally Posted By: chrome
I am not sure that you can even depress the throttle with the engine off and have the motorized plate move!
You can (with the key on the OFF position) push it open by hand on my 2006 Saab 93, which has DBW. Then you can clean it.
If the key is in the ON position even if the engine is off the throttle plate will move. You cannot push it open by hand when the key is in the ON position--seems like it strongly resists your attempts to move it.
There's no need for any recalibration process if you remove the DBW throttle body from the intake manifold, at least on the Saab.
I am not sure that you can even depress the throttle with the engine off and have the motorized plate move!
You can (with the key on the OFF position) push it open by hand on my 2006 Saab 93, which has DBW. Then you can clean it.
If the key is in the ON position even if the engine is off the throttle plate will move. You cannot push it open by hand when the key is in the ON position--seems like it strongly resists your attempts to move it.
There's no need for any recalibration process if you remove the DBW throttle body from the intake manifold, at least on the Saab.
Do you even need to recalibrate the throttle? On my old 4.0 it took about two minutes to get off, two minutes to clean, and two minutes to reinstall. Biggest pain was going to buy the gasket from AZ.
Lee, I suggest that you join a Jeep forum that has a DIY section. Everything you went to get done at the dealer, you could have done yourself and saved a couple of hundred dollars. Just save all reciepts for warranty purposes. This forum is all about changing your own oil, air filter, and Lord knows everything else under the sun.
Even though I consider myself mechanically inclined, if there's something I need done that I never had to do before, I come here first. I guarantee everything you'll ever want to do, someone else here has already done it and can walk you through it. Also, youtube is a good source for DIY vids and how-to walkthroughs.
Your throttle body COULD have been carboned up, but in all likelyhood it wasn't. The "kit" that they charged you for contained nothing more than a three dollar gasket and O-ring. Run decent (name-brand) gas and you should never have to clean your throttle body. On cars that I buy new, I pull them after about 100k miles and they're usually lightly carboned, not enough to make a difference one way or another. Sometimes I don't even bother spraying them down with carb cleaner.
And Saturn_Fan, we've been spoiled with Richpin's videos for quite some time now, no?
Lee, I suggest that you join a Jeep forum that has a DIY section. Everything you went to get done at the dealer, you could have done yourself and saved a couple of hundred dollars. Just save all reciepts for warranty purposes. This forum is all about changing your own oil, air filter, and Lord knows everything else under the sun.
Even though I consider myself mechanically inclined, if there's something I need done that I never had to do before, I come here first. I guarantee everything you'll ever want to do, someone else here has already done it and can walk you through it. Also, youtube is a good source for DIY vids and how-to walkthroughs.
Your throttle body COULD have been carboned up, but in all likelyhood it wasn't. The "kit" that they charged you for contained nothing more than a three dollar gasket and O-ring. Run decent (name-brand) gas and you should never have to clean your throttle body. On cars that I buy new, I pull them after about 100k miles and they're usually lightly carboned, not enough to make a difference one way or another. Sometimes I don't even bother spraying them down with carb cleaner.
And Saturn_Fan, we've been spoiled with Richpin's videos for quite some time now, no?
Thanks so much for the great tips. I really appreciate all that everyone has suggested on here. Still debating going back to the dealer with a printout of these pages.Probably a waste of time , I;m sure they won't give me any $$$ back.I'll never go there again!
It might be worth a try. You won't get anywhere unless you go straight to someone in a manager position.
They sell throttle body cleaner at any parts store. It's a few bucks a can. I'm just about positive that your Jeep didn't need the throttle body touched at all though.
One thing to keep in mind, this may not apply to you, but some vehicles apparently shouldn't have the throttle body cleaned. My truck has a sticker that very specifically states to not use any cleaners on the throttle body because it will remove some coating they put on there. I don't know if this is just a Ford thing or what, but it's something to consider.
They sell throttle body cleaner at any parts store. It's a few bucks a can. I'm just about positive that your Jeep didn't need the throttle body touched at all though.
One thing to keep in mind, this may not apply to you, but some vehicles apparently shouldn't have the throttle body cleaned. My truck has a sticker that very specifically states to not use any cleaners on the throttle body because it will remove some coating they put on there. I don't know if this is just a Ford thing or what, but it's something to consider.
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I don't see the point in confronting the manager.
"A bunch of guys on the Internet say you're wrong!"
"Well, my mechanic said it was dirty. Did those guys on the Internet see it?"
Just go somewhere else next time, or bring a dose of skepticism if you go back there.
"A bunch of guys on the Internet say you're wrong!"
"Well, my mechanic said it was dirty. Did those guys on the Internet see it?"
Just go somewhere else next time, or bring a dose of skepticism if you go back there.
Originally Posted By: Lee459
Hi , I just got back from the JEEP dealership to get my $3000 oil change. Within 5 minutes the guy came back out and said I really needed to have work done on the throttle body , it was dirty and carboned .Between the cost of the T/Body kit and labor the whole deal was $206 ( this includes the oil change i came for ) The Jeep is new , only 13 months old with 16,000 miles on it.I'm not the greatest car guy in the world so I'm wondering it this all sounds correct. Have a funny feeling I got beat here.
Many Thanx LEE
Why $3000, shouldnt that been covered under warrenty? I can see it getting dirty but not carboned. Its really easy to clean it yourself.
Hi , I just got back from the JEEP dealership to get my $3000 oil change. Within 5 minutes the guy came back out and said I really needed to have work done on the throttle body , it was dirty and carboned .Between the cost of the T/Body kit and labor the whole deal was $206 ( this includes the oil change i came for ) The Jeep is new , only 13 months old with 16,000 miles on it.I'm not the greatest car guy in the world so I'm wondering it this all sounds correct. Have a funny feeling I got beat here.
Many Thanx LEE
Why $3000, shouldnt that been covered under warrenty? I can see it getting dirty but not carboned. Its really easy to clean it yourself.
I'm thinking he means $300? A rip off either way on a Jeep with only 16,000 miles on it.
JMO,
Frank D
JMO,
Frank D
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Any recommendations on a good TB cleaner or are they all about the same?
I have always been happy with CRC products and you can get them anywhere.
Any recommendations on a good TB cleaner or are they all about the same?
I have always been happy with CRC products and you can get them anywhere.
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