Thoughts On Pennzoil Ultra

[HyundaiGuy]

Is the only benefit that one gets from synthetic oil extended drain intervals?

I'm more concerned with engine wear due to oil shearing with using 5W20 in Florida, on both cars. Her car is definitely severe service and I drive on the Florida Speedway (err Turnpike) every day. Go 75 out there and you will be mowed down- I run around 80 MPH for 20 miles or so. When I hit the hills in the next county (don't laugh, they may not be steep but they are hills) the trans will sometimes downshift to third, bringing RPMs up to 5000-5500 until I reach the top.

Anything I can do to help these cars last is a good thing- I thought synthetic oil was helping. Am I wrong?

 

[Mustang Man]

Search the forums here to answer your question as to why synthetics are better. In a nutshell, they go longer, clean better, protect better, pour in the cold, take more heat, etc.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
Is the only benefit that one gets from synthetic oil extended drain intervals?

I'm more concerned with engine wear due to oil shearing with using 5W20 in Florida, on both cars. Her car is definitely severe service and I drive on the Florida Speedway (err Turnpike) every day. Go 75 out there and you will be mowed down- I run around 80 MPH for 20 miles or so. When I hit the hills in the next county (don't laugh, they may not be steep but they are hills) the trans will sometimes downshift to third, bringing RPMs up to 5000-5500 until I reach the top.

Anything I can do to help these cars last is a good thing- I thought synthetic oil was helping. Am I wrong?


Does the car have a turbo? I don't remember it being mentioned.

Does 5W-20 typically fail in warm weather? Nope, it holds up fine.

Does the transmission sometimes downshifting cause any problems with the engine oil? Not typically.

Do RPM's of 5000 to 5500 require the use of a synthetic? Nope.

Does running at 80 MPH for 20 miles require a synthetic? Nope. I've done it for thousands of miles crossing through Nebraska in 100+ temperatures on plain old conventional oil.

Are Hyundai engines typically hard on oil? Not typically.

Are Hyundai engines prone to sludge? Not to my knowledge.

Do you want to spend the extra money for Ultra? Sure sounds like it. Do you need to spend the extra money for Ultra? Nope. In 300,000 miles you'll never notice a difference. Chances are your transmission will fail long before the engine suffers an oil related failure because of conventional oil.

 

[Unleashedbeast]

I changed the oil in a friends 99 Cavalier (2.2L I4) Saturday and used Pennzoil Ultra 5w30 and a PureOne filter. The engine purred nicely and no more valve train noise.

Now, I have no clue as to what oil was in the engine before, but it had a cheap STP oil filter on it. The old oil looked very clean as my friend doesn't drive very much.

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
Search the forums here to answer your question as to why synthetics are better. In a nutshell, they go longer, clean better, protect better, pour in the cold, take more heat, etc.



Ssshhh! Thats dangerous talk, and it will offend Utah Bill immensely!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
Search the forums here to answer your question as to why synthetics are better. In a nutshell, they go longer, clean better, protect better, pour in the cold, take more heat, etc.



Ssshhh! Thats dangerous talk, and it will offend Utah Bill immensely!

And its just his opinion. Not FACT.

Also read the PM that I sent you.

Bill

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
Is the only benefit that one gets from synthetic oil extended drain intervals?

I'm more concerned with engine wear due to oil shearing with using 5W20 in Florida, on both cars. Her car is definitely severe service and I drive on the Florida Speedway (err Turnpike) every day. Go 75 out there and you will be mowed down- I run around 80 MPH for 20 miles or so. When I hit the hills in the next county (don't laugh, they may not be steep but they are hills) the trans will sometimes downshift to third, bringing RPMs up to 5000-5500 until I reach the top.

Anything I can do to help these cars last is a good thing- I thought synthetic oil was helping. Am I wrong?


Does the car have a turbo? I don't remember it being mentioned.

Does 5W-20 typically fail in warm weather? Nope, it holds up fine.

Does the transmission sometimes downshifting cause any problems with the engine oil? Not typically.

Do RPM's of 5000 to 5500 require the use of a synthetic? Nope.

Does running at 80 MPH for 20 miles require a synthetic? Nope. I've done it for thousands of miles crossing through Nebraska in 100+ temperatures on plain old conventional oil.

Are Hyundai engines typically hard on oil? Not typically.

Are Hyundai engines prone to sludge? Not to my knowledge.

Do you want to spend the extra money for Ultra? Sure sounds like it. Do you need to spend the extra money for Ultra? Nope. In 300,000 miles you'll never notice a difference. Chances are your transmission will fail long before the engine suffers an oil related failure because of conventional oil.


Just asking, (other than turbo applications), would you say SuperTech conventional = Pennzoil Ultra?

 

[Mustang Man]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: gfh77665

Search the forums here to answer your question as to why synthetics are better. In a nutshell, they go longer, clean better, protect better, pour in the cold, take more heat, etc.



And its just his opinion. Not FACT.

Also read the PM that I sent you.

Bill

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Mustang Man
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: gfh77665

Search the forums here to answer your question as to why synthetics are better. In a nutshell, they go longer, clean better, protect better, pour in the cold, take more heat, etc.



And its just his opinion. Not FACT.

Also read the PM that I sent you.

Bill

Now there is some factual discussion.

Spend some time reading what has been posted here and you may learn something.

Bill

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Spartuss
Where do you find Mobil 1 0w30 for less than Ultra? Why do you think the Mobil 1 line is better than Platinum?


With respect to your question, if I may interject, I don't think it's simply the price point. If one looks hard and long enough, one can find a good sale for just about any product one wishes to buy.

Personally, I hold both Pennzoil and Mobil products in high regard, both conventional and synthetic. As has been discussed in other threads, Pennzoil Platinum and PU are likely cannibalizing each other's sales more than any other line of synthetics.

It doesn't matter whether Mobil 1 is great or Mobil 1 is garbage. If I have an application in mind, there is a Mobil 1 or Delvac 1 product for that application. There are varieties for emissions protection, extended drains, high mileage vehicles, diesels, and so forth. There are also various viscosities available. They're all easy to find at Walmart or Canadian Tire.

We all know to whom Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck and Mobil 1 Extended Performance are marketed to, respectively. It's clear even on the bottle, really. What is the average non-BITOGer going to think when he sees Pennzoil Platinum and PU beside each other on the shelf? He's going to think one of two things. 1) PU is more expensive, so it must be better, so I'll buy it. 2) PU is more expensive, but I really can't tell the difference between it and Pennzoil Platinum, and they're both synthetic, so I'll buy Pennzoil Platinum.

Contrast this to the fellow who wants extended drains or has a high mileage vehicle or has a diesel. The choices from the Mobil section are clear.

The viscosity availabilities of both Pennzoil Platinum and PU are also detrimental to their sales. I can find just about every grade of Mobil 1 from around 5w-20 to 0w-40 to 15w-50 on the shelf. I can get Pennzoil Platinum in 5w-20, 5w30, and 10w30, and that's it. PU isn't even around.

Mobil has done a good job of differentiating its products in the Mobil 1 line. Again, it doesn't matter whether it's a superior or inferior product. One has an application in mind and can find the oil. With the Pennzoil products, the most obvious differentiation between Pennzoil Platinum and PU is price, and only price.