Al, you just made good argument for restaurants providing nutritional information. A slice of cheescake by itself can easily be over 30 grams of fat.
This is INSANE
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JHZR2
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but thats just it... the information is there. Its just not easy to access.
Do you honestly think that if the average time-strapped person goes someplace, they are going to ask for the nutrition information in situ? Do you think it might not make any dfference to people who actually do think and analyze and dont fly by the seats of their pants... if the information was there? And someone who does not have a clue might want to look at that information when they have a child, or a parent who just had a heart attack or similar???
JMH
Do you honestly think that if the average time-strapped person goes someplace, they are going to ask for the nutrition information in situ? Do you think it might not make any dfference to people who actually do think and analyze and dont fly by the seats of their pants... if the information was there? And someone who does not have a clue might want to look at that information when they have a child, or a parent who just had a heart attack or similar???
JMH
I found Lean Pockets very nice
Each to their own.
I use the labels completely differently:
Best ratio of unrefined to refined carb;
Low sodium, or best potassium to sodium ratio;
Highest omega 3 content;
Lowest (or no) TFA;
Then calories at the last point.
A bit like picking an oil based on VOA, I know.
But it does have benefits. Looking at the labels, I found the homebrand baked beans were identical to my favourite brand. Bought 1 tin of each, and they were identical. Save $1 per tin. Similarly with breakfast cereals and a number of oterh items.
Don't eat out, you'll have a better idea of what you're eating.
JHZR2
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nothing wrong with that... this is the point - people think that as soon as someone has an idea that suggests to provide more information about something, that it is immediately taking their rights away.
Go ahead... enjoy one for me. Im having eggs and sausage for dinner personally - another "bad" thing
JMH
Go ahead... enjoy one for me. Im having eggs and sausage for dinner personally - another "bad" thing
JMH
People have the right to eat whatever they want, even though i'm not happy that it may be causing my healthcare costs to go up..
I see no harm with making nutritional information more readily available to the public. Some are smart, and know what they are eating. Some arent so smart, and dont know how bad what theyre eating is. I'll used iced coffees and other beverages at dunkin donuts as an example. These drinks are packed with calories and fat, but i think many believe that since theyre liquid, they cant be all that bad. And then theres foods which appear to be healthy, but arent as much as you might think. For example a 12" subway sub, unless you get a veggie sub, you're probably getting around 2400mg of sodium, 100% of the recommended daily intake. Then theres "health" cereals.. Guess what one of the major ingredients is? High fructose corn syrup..
I could go on for days, but in the end.. It's youre life, you could pass away at anytime, so eat what makes you happy.
I see no harm with making nutritional information more readily available to the public. Some are smart, and know what they are eating. Some arent so smart, and dont know how bad what theyre eating is. I'll used iced coffees and other beverages at dunkin donuts as an example. These drinks are packed with calories and fat, but i think many believe that since theyre liquid, they cant be all that bad. And then theres foods which appear to be healthy, but arent as much as you might think. For example a 12" subway sub, unless you get a veggie sub, you're probably getting around 2400mg of sodium, 100% of the recommended daily intake. Then theres "health" cereals.. Guess what one of the major ingredients is? High fructose corn syrup..
Making laws such as this will limit the number of menu items at any given restaurant. It won't change how they make the remaining items.
JHZR2
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I dont see how it will reduce the numbr of items.
Macdonalds has offered LOTS of items, all of them quantified for calories, fat, sat fat, trans fat, sodium, etc., etc. I havent seen their menu reduce in size.
As I said, most large restaurants have offered this information in some roundabout method of accessibility for a LONG time. Making it a bit easier, so that I can read it in situ at the restaurant while ordering would simply enable me and anyone else interested to make better decisions.
Of course, small shops should not have to do such things. The chains already do it, so nothing will change except the next menu the restaurant prints will have a couple numbers next to the price.
JMH
Macdonalds has offered LOTS of items, all of them quantified for calories, fat, sat fat, trans fat, sodium, etc., etc. I havent seen their menu reduce in size.
As I said, most large restaurants have offered this information in some roundabout method of accessibility for a LONG time. Making it a bit easier, so that I can read it in situ at the restaurant while ordering would simply enable me and anyone else interested to make better decisions.
Of course, small shops should not have to do such things. The chains already do it, so nothing will change except the next menu the restaurant prints will have a couple numbers next to the price.
JMH
"Of course, small shops should not have to do such things."
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I doubt there would be exemptions, but I could be wrong. I hope I am.
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I doubt there would be exemptions, but I could be wrong. I hope I am.
why anyone eats at fast food places I will never know...
At least 58,800,000 million Americans (i.e. 1 person in 4) suffer from some form of heart disease.
50 million suffer from high blood pressure
12 million suffer from coronary heart disease
6.2 million suffer from angina pectoris
7 million suffer from heart attack
4.4 million suffer from stroke
1.8 million suffer from rheumatic heart disease/fever
1 million suffer from congenital cardiovascular defects
4.6 million suffer from congestive heart failure
grab the double, hold the veggies and add bacon.....with a diet soda.
At least 58,800,000 million Americans (i.e. 1 person in 4) suffer from some form of heart disease.
50 million suffer from high blood pressure
12 million suffer from coronary heart disease
6.2 million suffer from angina pectoris
7 million suffer from heart attack
4.4 million suffer from stroke
1.8 million suffer from rheumatic heart disease/fever
1 million suffer from congenital cardiovascular defects
4.6 million suffer from congestive heart failure
grab the double, hold the veggies and add bacon.....with a diet soda.
I'll lighten up and just say buster is OK, and some folks are very, very ignorant about what they put in their gullets.....for whatever reason.
If I'm in that much of a hurry, give me some fruit or a big drink of water.
If I'm in that much of a hurry, give me some fruit or a big drink of water.
It all depends on what people care for. The very large guy next to me in McDolands who orders 13 big macs ?probably? knows that won't help him but it is his freedom to do that. What I think hits people is the rise in healthcare costs when these people get diabetes and raise taxes. I don't know too much bout this but I've heard it before.
Sure those spare ribs have 109 g of fat, but I see that the northern-style spare ribs only have 95 g of fat. Now I can aim for the northern-style and feel good about myself for eating healthy.
I don't pay a lot of attention to nutritional information when I'm shopping... taste generally trumps healthiness. But I do pay some attention and have changed some purchases from it.
Example, I love Chunky soup. The chicken corn chowder is especially good. But I see it has twice the calories of just about any other kind they make, so I usually pass and pick up something lighter.
Other example, I do eat out quite a bit, but I found I can eat less and still enjoy it. Don't get a double burger, a single is fine. Don't supersize, medium is fine. I get diet soda instead of the sugary kind, that's a couple hundred calories trimmed out effortlessly.
My point? I dunno. I guess when information is provided, it helps, but even without it I have a general idea of what I could do to eat better. If I want to, I can. If not, pass the chowder.
I don't pay a lot of attention to nutritional information when I'm shopping... taste generally trumps healthiness. But I do pay some attention and have changed some purchases from it.
Example, I love Chunky soup. The chicken corn chowder is especially good. But I see it has twice the calories of just about any other kind they make, so I usually pass and pick up something lighter.
Other example, I do eat out quite a bit, but I found I can eat less and still enjoy it. Don't get a double burger, a single is fine. Don't supersize, medium is fine. I get diet soda instead of the sugary kind, that's a couple hundred calories trimmed out effortlessly.
My point? I dunno. I guess when information is provided, it helps, but even without it I have a general idea of what I could do to eat better. If I want to, I can. If not, pass the chowder.
An engineer such as you ought to know better than to spout this insulting tripe. Engineers have just as much of a "monoply" over the practice of their profession as lawyers do, and rightly so. The same can of course be said of plumbers, electricians, doctors, nurses, and dozens of other occupations.
Lawyers are like guns. Just as guns don't kill people -- people kill people, lawyers don't sue people, their clients sue people. And their clients are you and me and the rest of the American people. And all those judgments that the ignorant masses constantly complain about and criticize lawyers for are judgments granted to plaintiffs by juries, not by courts and not by lawyers. And the juries are you and me and the rest of the citizens of this country. The same people that pillory the lawyers over these judgments are the people that sit on the juries and rule in favor of the plaintiffs. So wise up.
jmcmaster,
I think the difference is that guns and cars don't think for themselves, but lawyers do.
However, you raise a good point, that can cut both ways. Sure, clients hire the lawyers, so they have an equal share in the blame.
Perhaps it's because most folks here wouldn't be chosen for a jury, that many of the decisions we've seen are handed down.
Perhaps, instead of trying to get OUT of jury duty, we should try to actually get on juries.
Food for thought?
I think the difference is that guns and cars don't think for themselves, but lawyers do.
However, you raise a good point, that can cut both ways. Sure, clients hire the lawyers, so they have an equal share in the blame.
Perhaps it's because most folks here wouldn't be chosen for a jury, that many of the decisions we've seen are handed down.
Perhaps, instead of trying to get OUT of jury duty, we should try to actually get on juries.
Food for thought?
My .02 I would blame the judges and the jury.
If you want to see a bunch of DC politicians scurrying for cover, especially one side of the aisle but both sides are on the take to some degree, shout out "tort reform". You can't look at how the system operates by only looking at the players. They don't set the game rules.
What else is there to say, other than "I'll have a large milkshake" and enjoy the experience with no guilt whatsoever.
What else is there to say, other than "I'll have a large milkshake" and enjoy the experience with no guilt whatsoever.
JHZR2
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Im caught up in it right now... My car got smashed, they claim 100% fault, but if I want to get one dime, I have had to go from small claims to county appeals to county court with a jury. Will I get anywhere without paying a lawyer >50% of what id get? nope. So much for getting my car fixed.
So much for making the cout system accessible to the people.
If you hire a civil engineer to oversee a building of a bridge, the intent is the greater public safety. One can figure out how to properly do plumbing, wiring, etc. However, if I ever wanted to get more than a slap in the face payment amount for my car, I need a lawyer to take the trial to higher courts, costing me so much money that I cant get enough to actually repair my car, and so $crewing me over royally. Here I thouhgt I was being honest claiming that I had NO injuries and just wanted a fast settlement.
Thanks to who??? Last I checked there were no ambulance chaser engineers or plumbers (in fact, the ambulance chaser lawyers have to hire other trained professionals to make their stupid suits, which cost EVERY taxpayer, to make anything they say worth their salt). Last I checked, other professions didnt make every attempt to milk money from entities for stupidity (e.g. fat people suing mcdonalds, or suing because coffee is hot and it got spilled). Lawyers taking advantage of the system for the sake of corporate profit (e.g. progressive in my situation) are every bit as low down and horrid as any other scum of the earth profession, when they impede a normal, honest American from getting a reasonable settlement, and forcing them into extremely costly legal proceedings for something that is so cut and dry that it is silly.
Is my anger due to the situation that I am in? Yes... if I was $crewed over by soe other entity, would I be upset with it instead? Yes. But now that Ive been crossed by the lawyers and insurance companies that have kept me from getting a settlement for the last two years - I could care less for both of these groups, and hope the worst for them.
rant off.
JMH
[ June 21, 2006, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: JHZR2 ]
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