May be true. But the numbers of sales are what the numbers are.....
This "EV Thing" isn't going away.....
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Musk has and continues to paint Teslas with a stench. He's turning buyers off with his antics....
Not sure what numbers you are looking at; Tesla continues to take marketshare. And money...
I certainly don't understand the twit fiasco...
I'm wondering how actually "ready" the semi is. According to the Musketeer they were a year away in August, then magically they are ready for production. The ceo of PepsiCo must have stock in Tesla as they are the only company with the hyper ultra mega charger installed. I've said it once and I'll say it again Musk started Tesla but i forsee him really taking it down unless the board if directors don't step in.
No only that but the main stream offerings are starting to become available. The car dealership locations (good or bad) are entrenched in the communities they serve. Tesla simply isn't.
This is Teslas problem-
US: Chevrolet Bolt EV/Bolt EUV Sales Surged To New Record In Q3
Chevrolet celebrates a great comeback with its electric car sales and strong overall results in the US during the third quarter of this year.
insideevs.com
They dominate in luxury but the market growth is in the "main stream" market. And the cyber truck will be slugging it out with the Ford and GM EV pickups-if it ever makes it to market.
I too see many Rivians in my area.
Musk did not start Tesla, Martin Eberhard did. His premise was, an EV should not be a cheapie whatever; his cars were designed to be better than the competition.
Regarding the long delayed Semi and Cybertruk, remember Tesla has been so busy trying to keep up with demand for the Model 3 and Model Y. They have been building highly advanced manufacturing plants and expanding existing plants. Incorporationg unheard of changes like Giga Presses. And making money hand over fist. More money than Toyota last quarter.
My point is, they have been busy and correctly chose to make money by increasing production over releasing new products. By the way, the Semi has been in test for years. There are plenty of sightings in the north Silicon Valley and other parts of the country. The pilot line is in Nevada. Tesla is tight lipped but testing is supposed to be in the final stage. Pepsi takes delivery if the 1st Semi in December. The mfg line will be in Austin.
Cybertruk hiring in Austin has commenced. Production is currently scheduled for mid to late 2023, but like everything else, this is based on Elon time. Your guess is as good as mine.
Bottom line, Tesla is a great American company. I am proud to see an American company leading the world once again.
Those companies lose money on every EV they sell. Genius?
Tesla would too if it wasn't for all the tax credits and carbon credits they sold to other manufacturers.
If people told their local and state officials this about crime and taxes, and meant it, maybe things would change.
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The EV "thing" isn't going away because it's pushed hard... with mammoth institutional investors behind.
We live in the monetary system, not the "moral and ethical" system. It's a business opportunity for the richest of this world, and they're fully taking advantage of it. It's that simple.
As they're manufactured and used today, EVs are an awful idea. Those who unquestionably buy into EVs are the same people who think that the Internet is free and it's always been there. These people couldn't connect the dots more than they could figure out where sausage comes from.
I'm a naive idealist, yet I firmly believe that once people in the first world get hungry and needy enough, they'll come to their senses. Until then, they will spend everything they earn, then some, and borrow their way into oblivion to buy the latest battery-powered toy on wheels, fueled mainly by coal and natural gas...
And then, there is this problem:
We live in the monetary system, not the "moral and ethical" system. It's a business opportunity for the richest of this world, and they're fully taking advantage of it. It's that simple.
As they're manufactured and used today, EVs are an awful idea. Those who unquestionably buy into EVs are the same people who think that the Internet is free and it's always been there. These people couldn't connect the dots more than they could figure out where sausage comes from.
I'm a naive idealist, yet I firmly believe that once people in the first world get hungry and needy enough, they'll come to their senses. Until then, they will spend everything they earn, then some, and borrow their way into oblivion to buy the latest battery-powered toy on wheels, fueled mainly by coal and natural gas...
And then, there is this problem:
Sorry, this is simply not true. The tax credit subsidy ran out years ago. Tesla's profit margin per car is nearly 30%. Other companies are free to get carbon credits.
The made more profit than the mighty Toyota did last quarter even though Toyota sold 8 times more vehicles. Ask BMW, MBZ, Audi and the others how Tesla is doing in Europe...
Perhaps you know Musk has been outspoken against tax payer subsidies. And perhaps you know Tesla built and continues to build out its Supercharger network; unlike the other companies.
What 'regulatory credits' are — and why they're so important to Tesla
Tesla's reliance on credits has been thrust back into the spotlight after investor Michael Burry took a $534 million short position against the carmaker.
www.cnbc.com
Look at the date of that article.What 'regulatory credits' are — and why they're so important to Tesla
Tesla's reliance on credits has been thrust back into the spotlight after investor Michael Burry took a $534 million short position against the carmaker.
Other companies are free to build cars that qualify for carbon credits; they choose not to. Tesla did not institute carbon credit.
Tesla is a very well managed company from a financial standpoint. They have numerous revenue streams besides vehicles. Every large corporation does. But their profits from operations are the industry leader by far. That's the numbers.
That was from 2021. Is this one recent enough? It's from September and I have lettuce in the refrigerator that's older.
Tesla Stock Breakdown: By The Numbers, How Does Tesla Make Money In 2022?
We all consider Tesla an electric vehicle maker, but this company has other lines of business - from tax credits to solar panels to crypto. We examine Tesla’s financials to see how the company actually generates revenue and profits. No hype.
www.forbes.com
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Japan is located on and surrounded by faults, that had nothing to do with Fukushima other than being the reason for the tsunami. The incident was the result of the backup generators being at shore level and the sea wall not being high enough.
I don't think the Soviet example says much at all. They built the RBMK without secondary containment to save money. Now consider how much it would cost to build the plant underground. There's nothing stopping plants from being built that way, the fact that nobody does it speaks volumes as to the validity of that statement. What everybody else did, was use secondary containment, and all the RBMK's that operated after Chernobyl were upgraded to have it.
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Yes, the sacrifice of SONGS was quite sad with that whole steam generator fiasco. It was killed to appease a certain group.
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Politicians also helped kill Shoreham and then agreed to it being a surcharge on electricity bills for 30 years in 1989, which means it should have been paid off in 2019?
Had it not been decommissioned, it probably could have been brought into service at a later date (with upgrades) like Watts Bar 2 was in 2016 (original construction started in 1973).
