Thinking about Wix cartridges again....

[SilverC6]

Originally Posted By: morris
many years ago i ran early chrysler 392 hemis. it had a canister filter, bolted to the block. i set up a remote spin on, with a custom adapter at the block. best thing i ever did. that canister was a real mess.



Cartridge style oil filters have got to be some kind of environmentally driven thing.

The residual oil in used spin-on metal filter cans must be killing off the Indiana bat or something.

When environmentalists save our endangered species, they make US industry extinct.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Originally Posted By: morris
many years ago i ran early chrysler 392 hemis. it had a canister filter, bolted to the block. i set up a remote spin on, with a custom adapter at the block. best thing i ever did. that canister was a real mess.



Cartridge style oil filters have got to be some kind of environmentally driven thing.....

Likely, but as many here could tell you cartridge filters have been around a long time, afaik well before the modern environmental movement. I can remember using a cartridge filter in the late 60's early 70's on a Volve 122. I'm thinking others may remember well before that.

And another fact that might not be commonly known, as I was told at the Fram labs, it costs the vehicle manufacturers more per unit to equip an engine with a cartridge housing, than those using a spin-on type.

All that said, for ease of installation, I much prefer a spin-on type filter. But, that's just me.

 

[yonyon]

Whatever the reason for the move to cartridge filters, I like it. With no can to hide behind the cartridge must be constructed well enough that it at least looks decent both before and after use or people will switch brands.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: sayjac


All that said, for ease of installation, I much prefer a spin-on type filter. But, that's just me.
It's poor engine designs that make cartridge filters a pain. The Ford 6.0 PSD was the easiest oil filter ever to change. Right on the top of the engine. No mess, no fuss. Unfortunately the engine had other design flaws but they got that right.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
...It's poor engine designs that make cartridge filters a pain. The Ford 6.0 PSD was the easiest oil filter ever to change. Right on the top of the engine.....

The Hyundai/Kia applications I'm familar with also use engine top cartridge housing design. However, there are two o-ring gaskets, one on housing and a smaller lower central inner core that must be removed, replaced and lubricated with installation. Granted not a huge deal, but in my experience not as simple as spin-on, remove filter, lube gasket, reinstall.

 

[Kira]

To SilverC6 and others: YOU SAID, "The residual oil in used spin-on metal filter cans must be killing off the Indiana bat or something.
When environmentalists save our endangered species, they make US industry extinct."

OK, it's Sunday morning and you just poisoned it. I gotta stand up to your automatic, pre-recorded, unoriginal foolishness.
I'll be brief.

Just because something in an industry is developing (the employment of cartridge filters) and it happens to cross your brain, it doesn't mean it's wrong.

There's every chance you don't know what you're talking about.

There's nothing wrong with avoiding "killing off the Indiana bat", as you so cleverly opine.
Adapting to a change in oil filter technology is WELL WITHIN our industry's capabilities.

Inflexibility is a sure sign of stupidity, brain hardening and shallowness.

Industry will make poisonous garbage if left alone.
You like clean water? Thank an environmentalist!
Soon enough the X% of retail oil sold which isn't recycled will come up as an argument to ban home oil changes.
Find solutions to problems. Don't just complain that it's not 1930 any more.
Can't handle it, can you? Kira

MODS: Please don't ban me. K

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Quote:
...It's poor engine designs that make cartridge filters a pain. The Ford 6.0 PSD was the easiest oil filter ever to change. Right on the top of the engine.....

The Hyundai/Kia applications I'm familar with also use engine top cartridge housing design. However, there are two o-ring gaskets, one on housing and a smaller lower central inner core that must be removed, replaced and lubricated with installation. Granted not a huge deal, but in my experience not as simple as spin-on, remove filter, lube gasket, reinstall.
Spin-on filters always spill oil when being removed. And the mounting surface should probably be wiped off but is usually very difficult to access to do a neat job without potentially contaminating the internal area.

 

[Sayjac]

^^^^Guess I'll agree to disagree. In my experience I find spin on to be easier for the reasons I noted. I have a pan under the vehicle to catch oil from sump anyway, and rag to clean drain bolt so cleaning gasket mounting area still less time consuming for me than extra orings removal/installation/lubrication and cartridge housing/thread area properly done needs to be cleaned too.

There is one application that cartridge application lends itself to ease of installation and that would be using an oil extractor with a top mounted filter housing. That would eliminate need for access to drain bolt and spin on filter. But that is a very specific application with the extractor being an added variable. And as implied, not all cartridge housings are top engine mounted.

That said, no profound issue with using cartridge filter, just prefer spin on for installation ease.

 

[HTSS_TR]

If a cartridge filter is at the bottom of the engine then remove/reinstall is a little pain in the behind, because you need to remove several o-rings on the filter holder, with spin-on filter you can easily install the new one after removed the old without slide out and slide back in under the car with cartridge filter.

But if a cartridge filter is on top of the engine and if the engine is designed to use a fluid extractor, then it is preferred, even if 3-4 o-rings are needed to be changed because there is no mess no oil drips on engine when you remove/reinstall it, also it can be examined for any problem without cutting off the can if the filter is spin-on.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: sayjac

The Hyundai/Kia applications I'm familar with also use engine top cartridge housing design. However, there are two o-ring gaskets, one on housing and a smaller lower central inner core that must be removed, replaced and lubricated with installation. Granted not a huge deal, but in my experience not as simple as spin-on, remove filter, lube gasket, reinstall.


I'm confused. And I think I use the same filters you do? Napa 7050's? I replace the gasket on the housing cap and lube the little gasket on the pointy part of the cartridge before I seat it. Am I missing something?