They STILL sell STP???

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Back in the 70's a buddy of mine's next door neighbor worked at the place where it was made. He brought home gallons of the stuff.

My friends Corvair was running on 100% STP in the crankcase
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Certainly not in cold weather I hope. You would never get oil to the upper areas of the engine in 5 minutes to lube it.

When I was youger and MORE stupid, I put a can of STP in my 70 Nova's tranny as per the suggestion from a guy whom I thought knew something about lubricants. Three weeks later, second gear synchronizer exploded. This car was 9 months old.
 
My father told me a similar story. He was working at a gas station, when a guy brought in a fairly new Cadillac that he said was knocking. They pulled the drain plug, but nothing came out. Eventually they got a thick black sludge to come out. Turns out the guy never changed his oil, he only added a bottle of STP when it got low.
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Originally posted by MolaKule:

When I was youger and MORE stupid, I put a can of STP in my 70 Nova's tranny as per the suggestion from a guy whom I thought knew something about lubricants. Three weeks later, second gear synchronizer exploded. This car was 9 months old.
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I added the STP recommended amount to my differential in the mid 1960s, the ring and pinion started howeling and died a couple of months later. Maybe a coincidence, probably not.
 
Why is every post about additives NEGATIVE? I'm getting tired of it is there any POSITIVE stories about additives. This isn't a complain about additive forum.

STP like it or not is found in almost every fully formulated oil on the market!

Additives are what make oil without them oil is NOTHING. Refined or synthesised base oil does almost nothing without additives.

Everyone seems to protect the myth about proportions of additives in motoroil and how theres this FINE BALANCE lets talk about it.

Whats this FINE BALANCE what additives are put in motoroil that aftermarket additives do not contain

and in WHAT PROPORTIONS lets stop defending the oil companies and really get into what makes a motoroil and even more specific What ADDITIVES are in oil
 
I see no reason to use STP in an engine that isn't damaged [very loose or oil burning].
However, at my shop I have added a little regular STP to many Ford power steering pumps that were whining and loud, and except for once, it virtually fixed them! Fixed enough not to warrant a replacement pump for the years they were customers, anyway.
How's that for an unexpected positive report!
 
I just put some in my '67 Galaxie. At idle the oil light was just flickering on with 10W-30 in it. After STP, no oil light.. I'm happy...
 
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Originally posted by salsahh:
Why is every post about additives NEGATIVE? I'm getting tired of it is there any POSITIVE stories about additives. This isn't a complain about additive forum.
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Perhaps there are more NEGATIVE stories then POSITIVE ones?

A story that tells about an item causing a problem is worth 1000 "I(or some relative/friend) have used it for X years and never had a problem" stories.

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What I was trying to say is that "I(or some relative/friend) have used it for X years and never had a problem" is not a good arguement. Not just any good one.
 
Salsahh,

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Why is every post about additives NEGATIVE? I'm getting tired of it is there any POSITIVE stories about additives. This isn't a complain about additive forum.

STP like it or not is found in almost every fully formulated oil on the market!

Additives are what make oil without them oil is NOTHING. Refined or synthesised base oil does almost nothing without additives.
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No offence, but I think you're confusing Over The Counter, "third-party" additives with the additive packages in formulated motor oils. They are two different monsters.

For more info, check out these threads:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=002189

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=000032

STP, oil thickeners and Stop-Smokers and such, simply do that, thicken oil to reduce smoking until you can get the engine torn down/rebuilt. They are NOT for long-term use. If that comment seems negative, you've misinterpreted it. It's just the facts. There is an application for everything.

STP is NOT found in every oil.

OTC fully formulated oils are most certainly formulated for maximum profit and economy of additives.

While those oils do have conventional oil-soluble detergents, they can't clean the way ARX can.

While those oils have anti-oxidants in them, they can't maintain low oxidation for the long-term without some help from a product such as LC.

Valvoline Maxlife Engine stuff, and Schaeffer's #132 increases the oil's content of certain additives and supplements others. Some of the chemistry in 132 is not available in conventional oils because it's very expensive.

So that's why we're here, to learn and to determine what works and what doesn't while cutting through the hype.
 
MolaKule I too am here to learn and i tootally respect what you say but I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder when it comes to additives. I make it pretty clear in almost every post I get away with.

STP may not be in EVERY OIL but zddp is in alot of oils on the market these days and the government is fighting to take it out cause of emissions. zddp has been found to be a good antiwear agent but whats to replace it??

Valvoline Maxlife Engine stuff, and Schaeffer's #132 increases the oil's content of certain additives and supplements others. Some of the chemistry in 132 is not available in conventional oils because it's very expensive.

This is crazy not one but TWO oil producers making oil additives makes you wonder and i love how they say they increase certain additives. WHAT and OTHER OIL ADDITIVES DON'T B.S.

I know that SFR has a additive that is VERY expensive that is only mined in three places in the world and will be the new revolution to additive. There is hype in everything autorx is hype SFR is hype and so are all the rest.

Some lied and got the kiss of death from the FTC even though the main PUSHER OF THE CIRCUS court was a MAJOR oil producer that also produced an additive and cried like a two year old when someone else new moved into town. They hyped the government.

I'm not vouching for any of them but you got to admit that additives are good and do work?
 
Salsahh,

It is evident that you are a fan of SFR. Please continue to use it. Let us see a before and after oil analysis using this product. I have seen nothing on here or other boards to validate the use of SFR. If you can give me a good documented reason to use it I will be the first.

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T-Keith Understandable I will agree with the fact that 1 bad is more than a thousand goods ,but lets face it anymore there is no real reasoning behind it just close minded and say its snake oil I wouldn't use additives and thats it. WHY?? I want to know more.

IF ADDITIVES ARE SO BAD WHY ARE THE IN EVERY FORMULATED OIL ON THE MARKET.

PTFE is without a doubt something that is very questionable to put in an engine. My ONLY basis for that statement is the fact that DUPONT came on TV and said it can NOT take heat or pressure.

From what i've seen of plastic resins are that when heat is added they shrink and become hard in a engine i can by the fact that oil filter clogging can occur but teflon not in an engine but on other things you cannot deny it isn't a good product.

moly= hard metal ok softer metals in an engine not that wise ok.

Graphite is too soft and has an effect similar to ptfe

copper??
Lead??
Boron??
Chlorine??
Flourine??

ACID SCARE what if it has a high TBN then what?
On top of the extreme preesure additives what about other additives?? ZDDP if its so bad why is it in OIL.

So what if the FTC came down on some of them they know what they did wrong and we know what they did wrong most use it their own advantage but what about the oil companies. How can they claim this and that and get away with it?? is it MONEY cause thats what it sounds like to me.

If oil was so good at what its percieved to be why use AUTO RX geez oil has enough additives and DETERGENTS why is sludge building an this varnish to need a supplemental cleaner.

I'm puzzled and don't understand
 
We use buckets of STP during turbine overhauls.

Pour over the shafts (30 tonne bearing loads, and 18" journals), and you can turn it very very easily.
 
I was under the impression that STP was VII with a few addtives normally found in regular PCMO. Anyone know better? By the way, what the heck is SFR?
 
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Originally posted by Shannow:
We use buckets of STP during turbine overhauls.

Pour over the shafts (30 tonne bearing loads, and 18" journals), and you can turn it very very easily.
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Bet the same would happen with some good assembly lube. Probably even better.
 
I tend to agree with you there.

But when the Japanese OEM were approached, this was pretty much what they allowed.

It works, is applied first thing in the shutdown, as soon as the keeps are removed, and costs $12 for a 400ml can, versus pretty big bucks for assembly lube.
 
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