Why not use cat, cummins, rotella, etc ELC coolants and be done with it?
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Originally Posted By: TrentMiller
Why not use cat, cummins, rotella, etc ELC coolants and be done with it?
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Because we don't know how well it'd perform and be compatible with the cooling system, and materials in a gas engine vehicle I guess lol.
They are compatible with gas engines and the ELC coolants are all essentially Deathcool. Without seeing a jug to verify, I cannot think of one ELC that does not contain 2-EHA.
Diesel truckers drive way more miles than most of us do in our gas-engined autos so don't assume the 300K mileage the ELCs claim tranfers over to regular autos. We would hit the time limit before the mileage limit.
Why not use cat, cummins, rotella, etc ELC coolants and be done with it?
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Because we don't know how well it'd perform and be compatible with the cooling system, and materials in a gas engine vehicle I guess lol.
They are compatible with gas engines and the ELC coolants are all essentially Deathcool. Without seeing a jug to verify, I cannot think of one ELC that does not contain 2-EHA.
Diesel truckers drive way more miles than most of us do in our gas-engined autos so don't assume the 300K mileage the ELCs claim tranfers over to regular autos. We would hit the time limit before the mileage limit.
I wonder why I have been using Dex-Cool in a number of cars and trucks since 1995 with thousands of miles on them with not any issues what so ever. My wife's 2004 Buick Rendezvous with a 3.4 has 96,000 miles and the orginal intake gasket. I just changed the Dex-Cool out this summer. It looked great No discoloration at all. I put Dex-Cool back in it and I'm good for another 100,000 miles. Some peoples minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
I knew this would happen.
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
I wonder why I have been using Dex-Cool in a number of cars and trucks since 1995 with thousands of miles on them with not any issues what so ever. My wife's 2004 Buick Rendezvous with a 3.4 has 96,000 miles and the orginal intake gasket. I just changed the Dex-Cool out this summer. It looked great No discoloration at all. I put Dex-Cool back in it and I'm good for another 100,000 miles. Some peoples minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
and people cant ignore the intake failures even in maintained cooling systems.
I wonder why I have been using Dex-Cool in a number of cars and trucks since 1995 with thousands of miles on them with not any issues what so ever. My wife's 2004 Buick Rendezvous with a 3.4 has 96,000 miles and the orginal intake gasket. I just changed the Dex-Cool out this summer. It looked great No discoloration at all. I put Dex-Cool back in it and I'm good for another 100,000 miles. Some peoples minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
and people cant ignore the intake failures even in maintained cooling systems.
Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
I wonder why I have been using Dex-Cool in a number of cars and trucks since 1995 with thousands of miles on them with not any issues what so ever. My wife's 2004 Buick Rendezvous with a 3.4 has 96,000 miles and the orginal intake gasket. I just changed the Dex-Cool out this summer. It looked great No discoloration at all. I put Dex-Cool back in it and I'm good for another 100,000 miles. Some peoples minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
Absolutely, because if your engine has compatible gaskets (the '04 3400 has a revised IMG) and a pressurized reservoir and no air gets into the system, all Dexcools protect exceptional well. I acknowledge that is a lot of ifs, but the problem is you have some people continuously giving out only part of the story that Dexcool is bad without acknowledging the other part of the story. That's fine if they don't trust Dexcool no way, now how and would never use it, but to just keep presenting only (bad) part of the story constitutes bashing IMO.
I wonder why I have been using Dex-Cool in a number of cars and trucks since 1995 with thousands of miles on them with not any issues what so ever. My wife's 2004 Buick Rendezvous with a 3.4 has 96,000 miles and the orginal intake gasket. I just changed the Dex-Cool out this summer. It looked great No discoloration at all. I put Dex-Cool back in it and I'm good for another 100,000 miles. Some peoples minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
There are millions of cars and trucks racking up millions of miles with Dec-Cool and the sun still comes up each morning and the grass is still green..........
Absolutely, because if your engine has compatible gaskets (the '04 3400 has a revised IMG) and a pressurized reservoir and no air gets into the system, all Dexcools protect exceptional well. I acknowledge that is a lot of ifs, but the problem is you have some people continuously giving out only part of the story that Dexcool is bad without acknowledging the other part of the story. That's fine if they don't trust Dexcool no way, now how and would never use it, but to just keep presenting only (bad) part of the story constitutes bashing IMO.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
[quote=endeavor
Absolutely, because if your engine has compatible gaskets (the '04 3400 has a revised IMG) and a pressurized reservoir and no air gets into the system, all Dexcools protect exceptional well. I acknowledge that is a lot of ifs, but the problem is you have some people continuously giving out only part of the story that Dexcool is bad without acknowledging the other part of the story. That's fine if they don't trust Dexcool no way, now how and would never use it, but to just keep presenting only (bad) part of the story constitutes bashing IMO.
Actually I know what the problem was. I have over 45 years in automotive experience. I was pointing out that for every horror story there are a thousand success stories. And many of the horror stories were due to neglect on the owners part. The gaskets were upgraded in 04 and much of the problems went away. But we still See people focus on one aspect of the problem and we will probably see this for years to come, much like the Pennzoil causes sludge myth.......
These are the vechiles that were covered in the class action suit.
COVERED VEHICLES
Vehicles covered under the settlement are divided into three groups. Each group of vehicles is listed below, followed by the covered repairs, for which cash reimbursement is available under the settlement.
Note: If you own one of the models listed below, but (i) with a different engine size than what is listed, or (ii) the vehicle was manufactured using a lower intake manifold gasket other than a nylon/silicone gasket, or (iii) the vehicle is a Group A vehicle manufactured after April 9, 2003, then you are not covered by the settlement and are not eligible to file a claim.
GROUP A VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2003, equipped with 3.1 or 3.4 liter V6 engine, manufactured before April 10, 2003 with a nylon/silicone lower intake manifold gasket.
Buick Century, Rendezvous
Chevrolet Impala, Lumina, Malibu, Monte Carlo, Venture
Oldsmobile Alero, Cutlass, Silhouette
Pontiac Aztek, Grand Am, Grand Prix, Montana, Trans Sport
Group A Covered Repairs: Replacement of failed nylon/silicone lower intake manifold gasket.
Note: Some of these vehicles may have been offered for sale with an engine other than a 3.1-liter or 3.4 -liter V6 engine. Any of the above models sold with an engine other than a 3.1-liter or 3.4 -liter V6 engine are not included and are not eligible to make a claim.
GROUP B VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2004, equipped with 3.8-liter V6 engine (internal GM engine designation RPO L36).
Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue, Regal, Riviera
Chevrolet Camaro, Impala, Lumina, Monte Carlo
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, Intrigue, LSS, Ninety-Eight
Pontiac Bonneville, Firebird, Grand Prix
Group B Covered Repairs: Repairs necessitated by engine coolant sealing issues,including replacement of throttle body gasket, upper intake manifold gasket,lower intake manifold gasket, or intake manifold.
Note: Some of these vehicles may have been offered for sale with an engine other than a 3.8-liter V6 engine RPO L36. Any of the above models sold with an engine other than a 3.8-liter V6 engine RPO L36 are not included and are not eligible to make a claim.
GROUP C VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2000, equipped with 4.3-liter V6 engine.
Chevrolet Blazer, Chevrolet S-10
GMC Envoy, Jimmy, S-15
Oldsmobile Bravada
[quote=endeavor
Absolutely, because if your engine has compatible gaskets (the '04 3400 has a revised IMG) and a pressurized reservoir and no air gets into the system, all Dexcools protect exceptional well. I acknowledge that is a lot of ifs, but the problem is you have some people continuously giving out only part of the story that Dexcool is bad without acknowledging the other part of the story. That's fine if they don't trust Dexcool no way, now how and would never use it, but to just keep presenting only (bad) part of the story constitutes bashing IMO.
Actually I know what the problem was. I have over 45 years in automotive experience. I was pointing out that for every horror story there are a thousand success stories. And many of the horror stories were due to neglect on the owners part. The gaskets were upgraded in 04 and much of the problems went away. But we still See people focus on one aspect of the problem and we will probably see this for years to come, much like the Pennzoil causes sludge myth.......
These are the vechiles that were covered in the class action suit.
COVERED VEHICLES
Vehicles covered under the settlement are divided into three groups. Each group of vehicles is listed below, followed by the covered repairs, for which cash reimbursement is available under the settlement.
Note: If you own one of the models listed below, but (i) with a different engine size than what is listed, or (ii) the vehicle was manufactured using a lower intake manifold gasket other than a nylon/silicone gasket, or (iii) the vehicle is a Group A vehicle manufactured after April 9, 2003, then you are not covered by the settlement and are not eligible to file a claim.
GROUP A VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2003, equipped with 3.1 or 3.4 liter V6 engine, manufactured before April 10, 2003 with a nylon/silicone lower intake manifold gasket.
Buick Century, Rendezvous
Chevrolet Impala, Lumina, Malibu, Monte Carlo, Venture
Oldsmobile Alero, Cutlass, Silhouette
Pontiac Aztek, Grand Am, Grand Prix, Montana, Trans Sport
Group A Covered Repairs: Replacement of failed nylon/silicone lower intake manifold gasket.
Note: Some of these vehicles may have been offered for sale with an engine other than a 3.1-liter or 3.4 -liter V6 engine. Any of the above models sold with an engine other than a 3.1-liter or 3.4 -liter V6 engine are not included and are not eligible to make a claim.
GROUP B VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2004, equipped with 3.8-liter V6 engine (internal GM engine designation RPO L36).
Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue, Regal, Riviera
Chevrolet Camaro, Impala, Lumina, Monte Carlo
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, Intrigue, LSS, Ninety-Eight
Pontiac Bonneville, Firebird, Grand Prix
Group B Covered Repairs: Repairs necessitated by engine coolant sealing issues,including replacement of throttle body gasket, upper intake manifold gasket,lower intake manifold gasket, or intake manifold.
Note: Some of these vehicles may have been offered for sale with an engine other than a 3.8-liter V6 engine RPO L36. Any of the above models sold with an engine other than a 3.8-liter V6 engine RPO L36 are not included and are not eligible to make a claim.
GROUP C VEHICLES- Model years 1995-2000, equipped with 4.3-liter V6 engine.
Chevrolet Blazer, Chevrolet S-10
GMC Envoy, Jimmy, S-15
Oldsmobile Bravada
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Yep, and what that all tells you is that at the latest by '04 model year all the issues of what engines that had a problem with Dexcool were solved. Also it suggest that headgaskets weren't included so they were never an issue with Dexcool.
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I worked on an 2005 Chevy Colorado last year that was starting down the dark Deathcool path...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-i-call-dex-cool-deathcool.121028/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-i-call-dex-cool-deathcool.121028/
Originally Posted By: Coolant_Man
I worked on an 2005 Chevy Colorado last year that was starting down the dark Deathcool path...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-i-call-dex-cool-deathcool.121028/
Had other problems, Its obvious you have extreme prejudice and will give nothing but a biased answer...........
I'll be moving along now...nothing for me here.
I worked on an 2005 Chevy Colorado last year that was starting down the dark Deathcool path...
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-i-call-dex-cool-deathcool.121028/
Had other problems, Its obvious you have extreme prejudice and will give nothing but a biased answer...........
I'll be moving along now...nothing for me here.
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Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
Had other problems, Its obvious you have extreme prejudice and will give nothing but a biased answer...........
I'll be moving along now...nothing for me here.
Buh-Bye.
Had other problems, Its obvious you have extreme prejudice and will give nothing but a biased answer...........
I'll be moving along now...nothing for me here.
Buh-Bye.
I agree with Coolant Man. Peak/Old World Industries is a marketing company not a technical company backed by a research and development laboratory. Show me a single publication or patent by engineers or scientists from Peak/Old World Industries demonstrating the merits of Peak Global Lifetime antifreeze.
Well Peak might be more of a marketer than Zerek's, Texaco etc. I said earlier I preferred Zerex. The thing is if you buy Toyota anti-freeze from a dealer or G-05 from Ford neither makes the coolant either. So you don't really find the evidence of patents or tests by the OEMs either, but you know they still do testing.
Peak does own an ethylene glycol manufacturing plant I think. Perhaps like some oils, Peak manufactures anti-freeze but does not make the additive formula and buys it from someone else.
It is entirely possible that someone else holds the patent for the formula of Peak GL. It might even be a formula that is used by an OEM or another brand. I don't know who or what, but I'd sure like to find out. Maybe you could find something out through Peak?
Peak does own an ethylene glycol manufacturing plant I think. Perhaps like some oils, Peak manufactures anti-freeze but does not make the additive formula and buys it from someone else.
It is entirely possible that someone else holds the patent for the formula of Peak GL. It might even be a formula that is used by an OEM or another brand. I don't know who or what, but I'd sure like to find out. Maybe you could find something out through Peak?
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