The reality of having a daily driven "fast" car

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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
This post made me take my Z4 for the commute today.

A little OT, but what damages did it suffer in the accident? All fixed up now?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
This post made me take my Z4 for the commute today.

A little OT, but what damages did it suffer in the accident? All fixed up now?


It's all fixed up now and was not as bad as it looked with a semi next to/on top of it. According to the collision repair place that specializes in BMW repair, bimmers are good at not suffering massive damage.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan

This post made me take my Z4 for the commute today. In the evening I will drive the top down since messy hair after work is not an issue.

I think one should purchase a fast roadster if the budget allows. Miata has received a lot of praise in this thread and there is a wide selection of roadsters available for everyday use.


I'm glad my post caused you to take the fun car for a day and I'm also glad that it sounds like the repairs were successful on the Z4.

I'm really not interested in a roadster, honestly. I like T-tops and sunroofs, but I doubt I'd drive much with the roof down. About the closest I'd be willing to go would be a retractable hardtop.

The real reason though is that ideally, I really want a hatchback or wagon.
 
Originally Posted By: quint



Maybe I'll go drive a C5 convertible and see how it goes..... (cant believe I just said that..I blame you.)


The prices on the C5s are amazing right now, and will probably go a bit lower if gas prices keep climbing too! So this year is the time to buy! I think the C5 has pretty much bottomed out on it's depreciation scale.
 
I run a 78 Granada most of the time, but when I need a little pick me up; there's nothing like some V8 therapy. Either one of my Chryslers or 1962 Lesabre. Kick in the 401 nailhead high-compression for 9.2 mpg of fun. And I enjoy all 9 of them.
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I have a fairly diverse mix of cars that I drive routinely. My diesels are 67 and 120hp (I drive the 120hp car more as the 67hp car is like new and I'm keeping it that way). My one BMW is 134hp and the other is 300hp.

I can get almost 30mpg routinely in my 300hp 135i, and have had excursions up to nearly 32mpg. Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean that you HAVE to drive it that way. If done right, like the BMW, high fuel economy can be had too.

I've routinely said that one really only needs 120-130hp, and I believe that is true. If driven that way, economy and fun can be had, and it doesn't wear off. Any time I hit WOT on the 135, and the speedometer flies up faster than I can see, I get a smile on my face. The convertible helps a lot. I'm top down better than 50% of the time, even when cold.

That said, driving my E30 around curves, or hearing my diesel turbo spool up brings enjoyment too.

I'd say to be reasonable though too. If I only had, say, my 135i, I'd probably be vying for more space sometimes. That said, having a lot of cars, I find there is somewhat of a stress level from thinking about which is outside in what weather, etc. However, I'm still an advocate of having lower economy vehicles or less utilitarian vehicles having a brother, to use in poor weather, expensive fuel conditions, etc.
 
I went from a 04 Civic with 115 hp / 110 lb ft of torque to my Maxima with 255 hp / 246 lb ft of torque. Although paying for gas has gotten annoying, I still love the power after 2 years. I guess it helps the suspension is sporty enough do curves without a problem.

One of the things that I hated while driving the Civic was merging onto a busy interstate and passing. Even though I was flooring it and the engine was making a lot of noise, the speedometer was crawling up to speed with people doing 70+ on the lane I need to get on. With the Max, merging and passing are effortless. I've become more of an ogre with people who take forever to get up to speed though. I think it would take a while for me to get used to a slower car again. I drove a friend's 00 Civic once and to me it was gutless and noisy. It just takes so much effort for a small engine to get moving.

I can do 2-2.5k rpm from a stop and be moving along fine without making the amount of noise of a jet engine. I think I could do okay in something like a 4 cyl Camry.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean that you HAVE to drive it that way.

True, but if you aren't going to drive it fast, then why buy it in the first place and pay premium for it? Bragging rights?
 
FAST cars? Civics? Maximas? No offense, guys, they're nice but... fast?

Seems way off topic to me. Someone should have defined "fast".

For myself a fast car is something under 14 seconds in the quarter mile and with a top speed of at least 150 mph. That's a whole lot of cars these days.

Note: very few truly "fast" cars are wrong wheel drive!
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean that you HAVE to drive it that way.

True, but if you aren't going to drive it fast, then why buy it in the first place and pay premium for it? Bragging rights?
Bragging rights works or to show off your purchasing ability or even better you like the vehicle. A Honda Civic can be driven in an unsafe manor "fast" in the wrong locations.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
FAST cars? Civics? Maximas? No offense, guys, they're nice but... fast?

Seems way off topic to me. Someone should have defined "fast".

For myself a fast car is something under 14 seconds in the quarter mile and with a top speed of at least 150 mph. That's a whole lot of cars these days.

Note: very few truly "fast" cars are wrong wheel drive!


From the op: "So, BITOGers who have gone from a slower, more appliance-like car to a faster one, how long did it take for the excitement to wear off? Did you ever come to regret the decision?"

Nothing about fastest car. Just answering in the context of the original post so I don't think there was anything off topic. If he were asking for bona fide sports cars such as a 'Vette or Porsch then I would agree with you.

And note: the title of the post has fast in quotes which I think following convention means it doesn't mean FAST.
 
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
The foot on the gas pedal has much to do with the fast part.


Totally true.

As we say around here the "nut behind the wheel"
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
True, but if you aren't going to drive it fast, then why buy it in the first place and pay premium for it? Bragging rights?


I didn't read it that way. I read it as meaning that you can drive a fast car moderately most of the time - providing decent fuel economy and long powertrain life - while still having something that can provide pleasure whenever you feel the urge to use it. I agree with that perspective and it suits my bipolar driving style.

I do believe that if you never use the full power of your engine, then you're probably wasting your money on more engine than you need!
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean that you HAVE to drive it that way.

True, but if you aren't going to drive it fast, then why buy it in the first place and pay premium for it? Bragging rights?


Again, you don't HAVE to drive it fast. Simple enough. I can drive my 135i to get 31 MPG and still have a most enjoyable ride.

Let me simplify it for you...

You don't HAVE to accelerate away from every stoplight at WOT and you dont HAVE to drive 25 over the limit all the time.

Make more sense?

If my 135i makes full torque at 1200 RPM, what good reason do I have to need to take it up to 6500 RPM? Doesnt mean that having a powerful, fast car isnt still an enjoyable ride. It doesnt mean that I dont drive it for grins sometimes. Just dont have to do it all the time.
 
Reading the posts here, I'd say it is an individual thing.
I am of the "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast that to drive a fast car slow" school of thought.
Just check the cars in my sig.
I have driven really strong cars, and liked them, but as daily drivers, they consume too much fuel and would attact too much attention from the forces of law and order.
The ideal fast driver is a Honda Accord (why would I think that?).
Any stick Accord is fast enough and handles well enough to cover any road at a pace the ham-handed guy in the "performance car" behind you can only make up in the straights, and a Honda Accord attracts about as much police attention as does a lane divider, unlike any car with performance pretentions.
I have no desire to own a real fast car.
I would either spend each driving day frustrated that I couldn't really use the loud pedal, or I would accumulate speeding tickets at a rate sure to dismay my insurer, my spouse and me.
The ideal fun car is something like a Miata, or my 1.8 liter e36, for me.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
A Honda Civic can be driven in an unsafe manor "fast" in the wrong locations.


There will be no driving in my manor.
 
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: Steve S
A Honda Civic can be driven in an unsafe manor "fast" in the wrong locations.


There will be no driving in my manor.
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I don't think you need to constantly push the limits of a fast car in order to still enjoy driving it on a daily basis. For me it's nice to know that when I do need the power to merge onto the highway or pass someone on a two lane road, that there is tons of power to spare. I enjoy the fact that the engine makes so much torque that even when you give it just a quarter throttle and don't even go above 1500rpm, I can still pull away easily from the other cars at a stoplight. Or that when I exit off the highway I know I can still take the off ramp at a decent speed because it's got the handling capability to do it and isn't going to lean over in the turns. Or if someone jumps out in front of me and I need to slam on the brakes, it's got the ability to stop on a dime and give you a nickel in change
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I also love the driving position of my Corvette, I love sitting low to the ground and just the overall tightness of the car when driving it. It's got a firm suspension, but it's not bone jarring by any means. And another big thing for me is that I simply love the look of this car! Every time I walk up to it at the end of the work day I am in awe of it's beauty. To me the C5 generation is the best looking Corvette body style.
 
Fast is a relative term. The Trans Am is just over 420 HP to the wheels. It runs 11.70 in the 1/4. I had it out today T-tops off and is easy as pie to drive, will still pull down 25ish mpg on the highway in sixth gear (and will tear your 5 speed Accord up anywhere). The Buick will run right at 13.80 (13.82 at 105.02 mph to be exact
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) and that is my daily driver kid hauler, unless you put your foot in it you would never know it. Still gets typical 3800 S/C series II MPGs.
So you can keep your 14 and 15 second Altimas and Accords, I will keep my Buick.
 
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