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Sin City · Jun 3, 2003

Yannis, the BP 7000 sport 15W50 looks like a good oil for an application requiring a high viscosity oil.

The mobil web site needs to update their specs. I believe M1 0w-40 has been available in Europe for a long time but is not listed. Also none of the oils listed are available in the USA. All of the specs are different (from 1995). Someone correct me if I'm wrong but those specs on mobil Europe's web site are even before they came out with Tri-synthetic oil.

[ June 03, 2003, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Sin City ]

yannis · Jun 3, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Sin City:
Yannis, the BP 7000 sport 15W50 looks like a good oil for an application requiring a high viscosity oil.

The mobil web site needs to update their specs. I believe M1 0w-40 has been available in Europe for a long time but is not listed. Also none of the oils listed are available in the USA. All of the specs are different (from 1995). Someone correct me if I'm wrong but those specs on mobil Europe's web site are even before they came out with Tri-synthetic oil.

the way "I" see it is that the BP 7000 is and outdated Mobil 1 ,although with nice numbers.

Ray H · Jun 3, 2003

If it's a Group-III based product as some are speculating, then the notion of BP 7000 Sport being an outdated M1 is definitely BoguS.

[ June 03, 2003, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]

yannis · Jun 3, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Ray H:
If it's a Group-III based product as some are speculating, then the notion of BP 7000 Sport being an outdated M1 is definitely BoguS.

the 7000 BP sport 15W50 is a PAO based oil according to BP-Greece. They also sell the 10W40
visco 5000 which they say a Group III oil.
There is no information about the 5W40 5000.

dagmando · Jun 3, 2003

This isn't the same test that Prolong shows at all the autoshows with an electric motor and a handle that you push on to see how many foot pounds of torque it takes to stop the shaft, is it? I think it is also similar ot the "scare" test of a pin bearing "scar" left by the spinning shaft. This is where they pour a little Mobil 1(or any oil) in and show how a person can stop the shaft from spinning but when they add some Prolong it cannot be stopped. If this even remotely close, it has been debunked by every oil company and oil industry group there is. Prolong is being sued by the governent for false advertising.

RussellA · Jun 4, 2003

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This isn't the same test that Prolong shows at all the autoshows with an electric motor and a handle that you push on to see how many foot pounds of torque it takes to stop the shaft, is it?

Exactly. And I read an article of someone who wanted to prove this was not a legitimate test and walked up to the Prolong booth at an autoshow and offered his magic oil additive which shockingly did as well as the prolong. It was common chlorine bleach. The moral was, it did well on this test, but who in their right mind would add bleach to their motoroil.

LM · Jun 4, 2003

Thanks for the info, sprintman. I'd be interested to see results from Pennzoil 15W40 Longlife & Delo 400 (I'm using the latter).

Thought the below might be of some interest to some: possibly some of the same rhetorical and real-world use questions wrt to Falex as Timken. Info - at least several months old now - is from a Lubrication Engineers' CLS, w/his permission

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The first # is the Falex wear test (lower is better).

The second # is the TFOUT oxidation resistance (higher is better)

A good oil should have both low wear combined with good oxidation resistance.

All the oils tested were 15w40 unless printed otherwise. All of the oils were API CH-4 licensed oils.

code:

Chevron RPM fail 235

Mystik JT-8 fail 192

Exxon XD-3 fail 141

Quaker State FCI Fleet fail 136

Valvoline P-Blue 19 133

Shell Rotella-T 18 275

CAT Diesel Engine Oil 5w-40 16 374

Sinclair Arctic Fire 16 174

Mobil Delvac 1300 S 15 193

Texaco Ursa Premium TDX 13 125

Mobil Delvac-1 5w-40 12 829

Pennzoil Long-Life 12 179

Valvoline P-Blue 2000 11 142

Citgo Citgard 500 11 135

Castrol Dieselall Plus 9 150

Conoco HD Fleet Supreme 8 169

Chevron Delo 400 7 289

Royal Purple Long Rider 6 701

Schaeffer Supreme 7000 6 225

Cat Diesel Engine oil 5 162

Minuteman Agip All Guard 5 132

Lubrication Engineers 8800 3 311

sprintman · Jun 11, 2003

I'm not surprised to see LE8800 leading the pack. Just don't understand why they get so little 'traction' here. Anyway I have some BP V5000 specs and need somebody knowledgeable to tell me if it's a low/med/high 40W.
0.85 kg/L @15c ASTM D 1298
90.0 mm squared/s @40c ASTM D 445
13.6 mm squared/s @100c ASTM D 445 tks..s

G-MAN · Jun 11, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by sprintman:
I'm not surprised to see LE8800 leading the pack. Just don't understand why they get so little 'traction' here. Anyway I have some BP V5000 specs and need somebody knowledgeable to tell me if it's a low/med/high 40W.
0.85 kg/L @15c ASTM D 1298
90.0 mm squared/s @40c ASTM D 445
13.6 mm squared/s @100c ASTM D 445 tks..s

A 40wt can be 12.5 to 16.29 cST (or mm squared/s) @ 100°C, so one that's 13.6 is on the "low" side of the 40wt range. Castrol Formula R 0w40 and Mobil 1 0w40 are also on the low side.

sprintman · Jun 11, 2003

Thanks G-Man II. R 0W40 and Trisyn M1 0W40 readily available here albeit at a far higher price than V5000.

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