The Low Down on the Swine Flu. . .

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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'm still recovering from some flu virus. Mucous emissions by the gallon, decongestants and fever reducers taken perpetually only contain it in higher than recommended doses. Secondary symptoms that would not be unlike CHF.


I do not want to see my she-devil doctor. She'll have me on a ventilator and I'll be helpless against her.


Hmmmmmm Gary. That post was the best evidence I've seen yet that influenza influences human thought processes. . .
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Do get better soon!
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I'm glad your getting better.


But what exactly did your Dr. do for you? I'm just not seeing the purpose of going to the Dr. unless you are experiencing extreme problems. I've heard they won't give out Tamaflu unless your "at risk" but they don't know who is at risk.

I did a good blog the other day on ways to not get the flu, besides washing hands I've gone the gargle and nostril cleaning route along with healthy doses of Vitamin C, and getting out in the sun (where it's out for the Vit D.) Also sleeping at least 8 hours, washing hands as soon as I get home from anywhere etc.

My daughters school was closed for a week. I'm sure I've been exposed to it. Chances are 99% of you out there have been. So don't worry be happy.

BTW here is the blog/article. http://blogs.myspace.com/saxnflute
 
My chemo-sabe sez that she will give me the vaccine once I am through chemo. Meantime, I try to stay healthy. Mostly by hand washing , taking vitamins, and sleeping a lot. So far, so good.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Glad you are better ekpolk. Like Gary I am still excreting tons of junk from nose/lungs. I should have gone to the doc but IO didn't want to be with tons of other sick dudes.


Al is always thinking of others.
 
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: benjamming
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
[snip]While it is true that the "seasonal flu" can be a killer for anyone, this one seems to have a worse downside risk (aka death) for certain folks.[snip]


This statement makes no sense to. You say that the seasonal flu may kill you but H1N1 is worse - it may kill you. Help me out here!


OK now, let me be perfectly clear. I was NOT suggesting that "seasonal flu" was a walk in the park. It's obviously not. My doc's take is that for a certain group, H1N1 appears to be even more dangerous than the normally dangerous flavors of flu. And aggravating that aspect is that the "certain group" does not seem to be as well defined as may be the case with other strains.

Look, this is nothing to panic about, but nor is it something to take casually. Not that my recommendations carry much weight, but I'd recommend going about one's business, but I'd also be more inclined to seek help if I found myself getting very sick, very quickly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing -- it's a nitpick, but you really should make sure you're not in a glass house before you start casting stones. That first sentence could do with a rework. . .


How was I casting stones? My first sentence should have read "This statement makes no sense to me". Why would anyone not seek medical attention if they were getting very sick, very quickly? Of course, I would.

I'm still trying to understand how death from one strain of flu can be worse than death from another strain of flu. Tell me if I've finally figured out what you are saying. H1N1 has a higher mortality rate in certain additional groups that seasonal flu (H1N5?) doesn't typically hit AND has similar mortality rates in groups that the seasonal flu also hits? That's the only way that I can reconcile what you have said.

What is the annual mortality rate of seasonal flu vs. H1N1. That will tell you which is more dangerous as a whole, no? Now, H1N1 might be 'scarier' b/c of the certain groups that it kills (unknowns usually invoke more fear) whereas the seasonal flu you have a better handle on which groups are more prone to die from it.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
I'm still recovering from some flu virus. Mucous emissions by the gallon, decongestants and fever reducers taken perpetually only contain it in higher than recommended doses. Secondary symptoms that would not be unlike CHF.


I'm coming to the conclusion I either had H1N1 or regular flu about a month ago. Started out with that nasty dry raspy throat, then turned to a nasty cough and went into something like bronchitis. I literally had to have a spittoon there was so much phlegm coming out of me. There was one evening through the ordeal where I get the achy chills so bad I had 3 quilts on my bed and was still freezing. I never really had much of a fever though, so that's why I though it wasn't flu.

However, upon further research, 1/3 of all diagnosed flu cases have all the flu symptoms with a mild fever or no fever.

It was [censored], and it kind of went away for a few days, then came back with a vengeance for another few days (the bronchitis part).
 
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Originally Posted By: benjamming
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: benjamming
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
[snip]While it is true that the "seasonal flu" can be a killer for anyone, this one seems to have a worse downside risk (aka death) for certain folks.[snip]


This statement makes no sense to. You say that the seasonal flu may kill you but H1N1 is worse - it may kill you. Help me out here!


OK now, let me be perfectly clear. I was NOT suggesting that "seasonal flu" was a walk in the park. It's obviously not. My doc's take is that for a certain group, H1N1 appears to be even more dangerous than the normally dangerous flavors of flu. And aggravating that aspect is that the "certain group" does not seem to be as well defined as may be the case with other strains.

Look, this is nothing to panic about, but nor is it something to take casually. Not that my recommendations carry much weight, but I'd recommend going about one's business, but I'd also be more inclined to seek help if I found myself getting very sick, very quickly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing -- it's a nitpick, but you really should make sure you're not in a glass house before you start casting stones. That first sentence could do with a rework. . .


How was I casting stones? My first sentence should have read "This statement makes no sense to me". Why would anyone not seek medical attention if they were getting very sick, very quickly? Of course, I would.

I'm still trying to understand how death from one strain of flu can be worse than death from another strain of flu. Tell me if I've finally figured out what you are saying. H1N1 has a higher mortality rate in certain additional groups that seasonal flu (H1N5?) doesn't typically hit AND has similar mortality rates in groups that the seasonal flu also hits? That's the only way that I can reconcile what you have said.

What is the annual mortality rate of seasonal flu vs. H1N1. That will tell you which is more dangerous as a whole, no? Now, H1N1 might be 'scarier' b/c of the certain groups that it kills (unknowns usually invoke more fear) whereas the seasonal flu you have a better handle on which groups are more prone to die from it.

Easy there Ben, that comment was intended to be light-hearted.

Please see my earlier comments. Alas, until the dust settles, we really aren't going to know what is worse than anything else. Heck, it's possible that a "seasonal" strain may surface that's deadlier than anything we're considering right now, H1N1 included.

Again, for now, I'm going with my doc's advice and opinion on this. He has been spot on with everything he's told me over the years, and I see no reason not to trust him now. And let me re-re-emphasize: I'm not suggesting that anyone panic about this bug, but it should be watched and respected.
 
I thought I've read that H1N1 is actually a less potent strain of flu then the seasonal flu. It's just that H1N1 is new and there's no built up human immunity to it, so it's spreading at an alarming rate.
 
Our local paper yesterday said that the WHO had interviewed Canadian Doctors re: H1N1 flu fatalities and their overwhelming symptom was the complaint of "can't catch my breath". Of all the symptoms that the patients complain of now, shortness of breath sets off great concern among Canadian Doctors as a red flag for possible very serious/fatal condition.
 
I'm hearing of a few cases from friends and family members ... and received a gov't mailer encouraging not to sneeze onto your colleague's keyboard etc.
 
NJC,

Is that a common problem up in Canada - the whole sneezing on someone else's keyboard? It's probably not a good idea to sneeze on your own either. I guess that mailer will be forthcoming. After all, how many people eat at their desk?
 
I had the vaccine last night. They gave us a 10 minute informed consent/information speech beforehand (45 people at a time).

Interestingly, they told us there are far less mortalities in people 65 years and older because they were alive at a time when there was a very similar flu-virus to H1N1 that went around 3 or 4 (or more) decades ago. Those that lived in that time apparently still have a residual immunity to H1N1. Because of that, they said, people in that age group are significantly under-represented statistically in H1N1 cases.
 
We were supposed to get shots at work but that fell through for now...they weren't going to give the vaccinations to anyone over 50, so that left me out.
 
This is one time I'm glad I'm old (51), so I don't really have to worry about this.
 
A couple weeks ago I was really sick for about five days. Chills, generalized weakness, fatigue, runny nose...I'm still wondering if it may have been the swine flu. Whenever I get a cold (which is about once every two years), I never had generalized weakness, chills and fatigue.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I thought I've read that H1N1 is actually a less potent strain of flu then the seasonal flu. It's just that H1N1 is new and there's no built up human immunity to it, so it's spreading at an alarming rate.


That's not quite correct. Many H1N1 victims find that the course of the disease is fairly mild. And then some are quickly and easily killed by it. Some have no problem with it -- others end up dead from it. And so far, the doctors and scientists have not been able to reliably determine who is especially at risk (apart from the obvious categories of the very young and the very old).
 
Originally Posted By: Nayov
This is one time I'm glad I'm old (51), so I don't really have to worry about this.


I don't think your old enough. It is kind of hard to stay away from when the kids bring it home from school.
 
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