Apparently she was a good woman and had friends. Must involve demon alcohol.
The gene pool is a bit cleaner today
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Oprahization:
Next thing you know, this story will be on the Oprah show. From there they'll find a way to blame her mom or dad or her uncle Fred because she was abused as a kid or didn't get that doll she wanted for Christmas when she was 9 years old and now as a lifelong pain she can't get over...yada yada yada.
Then the mush-brains who watch Oprah all the time will feel sorry for her because it wasn't 'her fault' that she killed herself. In time, THAT'S the story that will become of all this.
Next thing you know, this story will be on the Oprah show. From there they'll find a way to blame her mom or dad or her uncle Fred because she was abused as a kid or didn't get that doll she wanted for Christmas when she was 9 years old and now as a lifelong pain she can't get over...yada yada yada.
Then the mush-brains who watch Oprah all the time will feel sorry for her because it wasn't 'her fault' that she killed herself. In time, THAT'S the story that will become of all this.
Brains at 6 am. Scrambled eggs for breakfast at 7. No big deal. If you don't find humor in some of the tragic things you see in life, you'll go crazy and probably end up blowing your own head off.
There is such a thing as a "detective suicide". The guy strips and gets in the tub. When the other detectives come in to process the scene, it's nice and tidy (relatively). Last bit of "respect" to those co-workers.
Finding humor in death is just a process of life.
There is such a thing as a "detective suicide". The guy strips and gets in the tub. When the other detectives come in to process the scene, it's nice and tidy (relatively). Last bit of "respect" to those co-workers.
Finding humor in death is just a process of life.
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Sad.
As I interpret the story - and I know this is sexist - she was detained for simply acting like some women normally act on a bad day (not that she didn't need restraint).
As I interpret the story - and I know this is sexist - she was detained for simply acting like some women normally act on a bad day (not that she didn't need restraint).
Story said that neither pepper spray nor a tazer were involved.
Yeah I read that this AM. Just trying to get out a tazer joke......and it seemed like a question of the day.
Not from me, I despise Oprah.
And I'm not advocating that anybody get blame for anything, just saying it's nasty to make fun of someone dying.
I agree to a large extent Mark. Some folks just need killin' but she was not one of them more than likely.
How could a person possibly choke herself on her own handcuffs? I read about this on the Drudgereport earlier this morning and have spent the intervening time trying to figure it out... The cuffs have to either go over your head or under your feet, no other way about it.
I'll agree, but I'm glad both of you qualified your statements. I think (opinion time) there's a fine line for every person that determines how much you can laugh before you end up in the same place. I understand what you're trying to say; I happen to favor Goya's version over Rubens's myself. HOWEVER: if you're going to do your thing to get you through the day, you must (that word is used lightly here) be able to call a spade a spade when it counts or you can end up in a lot of trouble. Rant off, that's all I wanted to chip in.
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Some people cannot handle being restrained and might react totally irrational in a panic even at the prospect of being restrained. Think abuse victim who was kept locked up in a hole for a week. Would you say that somebody with a phobia is a Darwin candidate?
Some people are quite nimble and may well be able to end up getting themselves in a body position that can kill them. Somebody might also get worked up so much that they have a stoke or a heart attack. An asthmatic might have an attack when distressed and could suffocate. I'm sure that's hilarious to some people.
I don't believe this unfortunate woman is your typical Darwin Award candidate. From what I gather she had some issues that caused her to react in a manner which was no recognized as what it was by the untrained, incompetent or imbecile security people dealing with her.
Mori, phobias or not, she died by her own selfish and stupid means. No one killed her, she sealed her own fate.
She missed her plane, got irate, they booked her on the next plane, she got even more irate. People like this NEED to be able to control themselves when they arrive at the airport too late to board the plane. It's not the airline's fault the plane left on time, it's HER fault she arrived late.
They booked her on the very next flight.
But yet, we're going to blame the security personnel in any way, shape or form for her terribly out of line behavior? That makes no sense.
She didn't take responsibility for her actions, nor did she ever say "thank you" for booking her on the next flight. She would have been home a few hours later. Now she's dead. SHE made the choice to not control herself in public, and not in the jail cell as she continued screaming.
She missed her plane, got irate, they booked her on the next plane, she got even more irate. People like this NEED to be able to control themselves when they arrive at the airport too late to board the plane. It's not the airline's fault the plane left on time, it's HER fault she arrived late.
They booked her on the very next flight.
But yet, we're going to blame the security personnel in any way, shape or form for her terribly out of line behavior? That makes no sense.
She didn't take responsibility for her actions, nor did she ever say "thank you" for booking her on the next flight. She would have been home a few hours later. Now she's dead. SHE made the choice to not control herself in public, and not in the jail cell as she continued screaming.
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Unlike you I wasn't a witness to the events, so I have to go by what I read. I don't know why she was yelling around to begin with. Whatever happened, the situation seems to have escalated due to poor handling. One also does not leave a freaking out detained person alone or without observation.
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From Full Metal Jacket
Pvt Pyle! Lean forward and choke yourself!!
He didn't even have handcuffs
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From Full Metal Jacket
Pvt Pyle! Lean forward and choke yourself!!
He didn't even have handcuffs
Ah finally! I thought I would actually go a day without learning a useful fact on BITOG.
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You're both right, IMO. That said TNS, I'd respectfully suggest that there's an implied flaw in your statement: the implication that fault can only exist on one side of such an interaction. In this case, IMO, there's plenty on both sides. Sure, she was apparently behaving like an idiot. But OTOH, once law enforcement takes someone into custody, they assume responsibility for their welfare. To have left a detainee alone when she was this clearly out of control is pretty stupid too. The word "custody" implies more than the mere application of a pair of handcuffs. It implies responsibility too. Plenty of foolishness to go all around in this sad case. . .
Pablo seems to be correct about alcohol.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071002/ap_on_re_us/airport_death;_ylt=AveDni4WTTtKcVF6BCspkQ.s0NUE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071002/ap_on_re_us/airport_death;_ylt=AveDni4WTTtKcVF6BCspkQ.s0NUE
Had an interesting experience yesterday at the playground.
Three vertical poles in a roughly equilateral triangle.
Torso fitted the poles, but I needed to raise one arm vertical to get it to slide down between the other poles so I was "inside the triangle" (don't ask, as I have no idea...it wasn't even a "here hold my beer and watch this" moment).
Fitted...great
Next thing was the mental thought of "I can't get out"
Stepped forward, and felt mild panic at the inability to move.
Remembered how I got there, and reversed steps.
I can see how easily a panicking person could cause themselves severe injury trying to escape from a situation that most of us would say "calm down, and re-assess yourself".
ekpolk has a good point regarding duty of care when holding someone.
Given the case he's working on...I could NEVER be a lawyer.
Positional asphyxia. Usually caused when a handcuffed subject is hogtied and placed on their stomache. Other cases are known though where handcuffed subjects just suddenly stop breathing.
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