Tesla’s Musk Says U.S. Electricity Production Needs to Double to Power Transition to EV Vehicles

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This is what has completely stopped me from considering an electric car until further notice. I would really like to have one, my driving style suits them well. But I'm not going to have my sole source of transportation be jeopardized by the unfortunate "cart before the horse" that is currently EV production.
 
Nuclear is too expensive to build and operate in the US. Millions if not billions in govt guarantees, billions in cost overruns, all result in higher costs for ratepayers. Then there's the local issues of NIMBY and a lack of suitable locations for new plants.
are we serious about carbon emissions or not? if we are then nuclear is our only solution. if we aren't then we'll just keep using coal/ng and supplement it with wind and solar, and then complain about how we need to do better when it comes to emissions.
 
are we serious about carbon emissions or not? if we are then nuclear is our only solution. if we aren't then we'll just keep using coal/ng and supplement it with wind and solar, and then complain about how we need to do better when it comes to emissions.
The first pass needs to be what’s upgradable ? Our plant submitted plans - then decided it was too expensive to add two modern reactors (searched for Capex) - but the feds continued to work their end and handed out the permits

So, if wind gets “help” … is something like that next. They feed 3 major cities where the EV’s are a good fit.
 
Hybrids are the answer, NOT 100% EV.
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A full-on conversion to EVs is not going to happen in my lifetime. I, for one, will never buy one. But, a Hybrid in my future is not only possible, but likely. Ford's and GM's plans to convert all of their production to EVs is doomed to fail IMO, and as a result, so will they.
 
are we serious about carbon emissions or not? if we are then nuclear is our only solution. if we aren't then we'll just keep using coal/ng and supplement it with wind and solar, and then complain about how we need to do better when it comes to emissions.
There's no data which says nuclear is our only solution. Climate, geology and geography are important considerations with regards to the location of power plants. Grid management/distribution is just as important as power generation. For example the problems in California are in part a distribution issue.

The US isn't France.
 
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The first pass needs to be what’s upgradable ? Our plant submitted plans - then decided it was too expensive to add two modern reactors (searched for Capex) - but the feds continued to work their end and handed out the permits

So, if wind gets “help” … is something like that next. They feed 3 major cities where the EV’s are a good fit.
As someone not in the electricity profession, will base power not need to be increased as "renewables" are increased? Or is it surge demand plants that need to be built as renewable sources grow? Many of our present reactors are approaching end of life are they not?
 
When we talk about increasing the energy production we will need to consider the entire package. Building more plants is just one part. Transmission, distribution, and all the infrastructure required for that which would likely include land acquiring among others.
 
These are exciting times; an inflection point in energy sources driven in part by EVs.
Electricity costs in CA are some of the highest in the nation, which is the main reason I installed solar.
I pay about $9 per month to use the PG&E grid. Solar is big in CA for obvious reasons.
So PG&E wants to increase basic grid use to $90 per month due to the loss in revenues as solar installations increase.
Of course, PG&E executives continue to give themselves huge bonuses as their company burns down our forrests.
 
Also, beware of Elon’s mind games ; making us believe that E cars will be so successful that we need to worry about the power grid. We may come across E car fatigue and the shine on this relatively new product may wear off.

I'd bet they are majority market 51%+ in 15 years with trucks being the holdouts.

Gas will be here a long time- good thing I have lots of cylinders to fill I intend on keeping.
 
Something I find missing from much of the electricity debates is they are not energy debates. It’s hard to compete with the BTU’s in heat from NG - especially if starting with a cold house.
As many realized here this February - thousands of “spec homes” got built all electric and had no backup heat.
Further, I find it ironic that some who want to kill that industry live in cold climates …

Yes, while I advocate for nuclear, electrified heating in Canada is obscenely expensive, particularly in an old home. While NG may only be 30-40% efficient for powergen (even lower when you consider line losses), for heating it can be >95% efficient, which I think is the best use of this resource. I can heat my four floors of 100 year old brick quite affordably with gas, something that would be prohibitive with electricity.
 
Nuclear is too expensive to build and operate in the US. Millions if not billions in govt guarantees, billions in cost overruns, all result in higher costs for ratepayers. Then there's the local issues of NIMBY and a lack of suitable locations for new plants.

Many are betting on SMR's being the panacea for white elephants like Vogtle. That said, IF they were to build more AP1000's after Vogtle, those should be less expensive and much quicker to construct. Our refurbishments of our nukes up here are becoming faster and lower cost as we perfect the process and it's the same for new builds once the FOAK teething pains are worked out.
 
There's no data which says nuclear is our only solution. Climate, geology and geography are important considerations with regards to the location of power plants. Grid management/distribution is just as important as power generation. For example the problems in California are in part a distribution issue.

The US isn't France.
No, but nuclear should be a large part of the solution, replacing existing baseload fossil resources where applicable.
 
The problem is that government is pushing to go all E-car . And the car companies are going along with it . At some point your choices will be limited .
Limited to the bus, taxi and train which are also broken systems. This is what you get when people elect a bunch of old senile nursing home refugees and other assorted crackpots and lunatics and actually believe them when when they try to convince you putting the cart before the horse is the best way and you should pay more taxes to see that gone of the rails side show.
 
As someone not in the electricity profession, will base power not need to be increased as "renewables" are increased? Or is it surge demand plants that need to be built as renewable sources grow? Many of our present reactors are approaching end of life are they not?
They are being license extended, some of them considerably. 40 year licenses were extended to 60, now 80 years. I expect we'll see 100 year licenses relatively soon. As long as the pressure vessel integrity is sufficient, these units can continue to be life extended.
 
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A full-on conversion to EVs is not going to happen in my lifetime. I, for one, will never buy one. But, a Hybrid in my future is not only possible, but likely. Ford's and GM's plans to convert all of their production to EVs is doomed to fail IMO, and as a result, so will they.
I have been buying hybrids for about 15 years. They make sense and they are the only option for long interstate runs. ( compared to EV's)
 
I have been buying hybrids for about 15 years. They make sense and they are the only option for long interstate runs. ( compared to EV's)

I used to do and say the same thing- because thats what my experience showed.

Not anymore. Ive been at this a while from a borrow, ride/ follow perspective, and the landscape has changed.

I can match my own long range ice commute time for the last two years and its getting better.
At first it required modding my style, in the long range S I really dont change anything.

Not claiming my size fits all, but the window of difference has shrunk dramatically and will continue to do so.
 
I used to do and say the same thing- because thats what my experience showed.

Not anymore. Ive been at this a while from a borrow, ride/ follow perspective, and the landscape has changed.

I can match my own long range ice commute time for the last two years and its getting better.
At first it required modding my style, in the long range S I really dont change anything.

Not claiming my size fits all, but the window of difference has shrunk dramatically and will continue to do so.
I understand. But I do 900 mile runs and time is of the essence. Fill up 13 gallon tank at home and only one other on the way about 600 miles in.
I'd buy an ev if I could get quick fills at any station like gas stations provide.
 
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