And what about 10-15 year old Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Land Rover, etc that cost $100K new and are worth $5K now? If the engine is shot, nobody is going to pay a decent price for them either.
Tesla is a pain in the rear to deal with
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I like the bigger Toyota hybrids like the Highlander and Sienna, I rented a current gen Sienna in California last year for 10 days. But neither is really cost competitive with the Model Y or ID.4 with the available incentives and tax credits. Plus, the late model Sienna is fairly unobtainium. The local Toyota dealer has zero new or used 2021+ Siennas.
They haven't had to offer incentives until now and so they're reaching a cost conscious consumer that they've not reached before. I'm sure that for people who are going to buy the thing no matter what, the "streamlined" process is great. For people who want to cross shop against the Mach-E and the ID.4, it's not great.
The early Nissan Leaf cars had lousy range and short life batteries. I think you will find that the current cars fare far better.
If the batteries lasted only 8 years, I think they would be a tough sell. I wouldn't buy one.
Toyota hybrids are great. We own one; highly recommended.
DId you drive the Model 3 and not the Y? The Y still has the column shifter.
The $250 deposit just to get the pre-qual is stupid, but that is refundable at any time if you didn't qualify. I don't have the freedom of doing the 0.99% being in a state that doesn't allow direct to consumer or I would have literally ordered a Model Y Performance the second that came available. Interest rate is exactly the reason I decided not to finance a new GTI and wait a few years to pay cash for a vehicle. 0.99% was enough to make me consider the Model Y Performance as my best option, but I'm not securing my own financing at 6.7% to buy it.
Buying a Tesla is weirdly refreshing and completely frustrating at the same time. I have to drive out of state to pick up a new car and because they don't sell directly to my state I can't use Tesla financing or lease rates.
The $250 deposit just to get the pre-qual is stupid, but that is refundable at any time if you didn't qualify. I don't have the freedom of doing the 0.99% being in a state that doesn't allow direct to consumer or I would have literally ordered a Model Y Performance the second that came available. Interest rate is exactly the reason I decided not to finance a new GTI and wait a few years to pay cash for a vehicle. 0.99% was enough to make me consider the Model Y Performance as my best option, but I'm not securing my own financing at 6.7% to buy it.
Buying a Tesla is weirdly refreshing and completely frustrating at the same time. I have to drive out of state to pick up a new car and because they don't sell directly to my state I can't use Tesla financing or lease rates.
If it happens in 8 then I'm getting a new battery under warranty. If it lasts me 10-15 years we'll see what my options are. If it lasts 15 years I'll throw my wheeled iPhone out for pennies as a trade in and buy another one. I got my money's worth not buying gas in that time.
It's a pretty rare chance that I buy another ICE car at this point. Interest rates and deals killed my interest in buying now, but I planned on it being my last ICE. I'll buy something in 5 years instead and keep my current car. I don't need two ICE cars.
I'm reasonably sure there are plenty of nice well maintained Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Land Rover, etc. that command higher prices than $5K and have plenty of life left to them. They've proven themselves, the jury is still out on millions of EVs that age to compare them to, for price and/or longevity.
I was replying to the post saying that 7-8 year old EV batteries are shot and suggesting they aren't worth fixing. Well, besides the fact that most EVs have 8 to 10 year warranties on the battery, it's pretty much the same story for any old car. If the engine blows on your 2010 model, it's usually not worth fixing.
Agreed. Like any make, there will be good ones and not so good ones. Years ago I considered the Leaf; glad I didn't buy one. My understanding is they are pretty much worthless. Our Model 3 is worth low 20's at best, even though it is perfect. Big drop from the purchase price. As an early adopter I knew that going in. The new Model 3s have many improvements. I will miss our car if we get the new one. It's been fun!
Gotcha. The cost of an engine out of a wreck can be reasonable, depending on the vehicle. Someone with decent skills can swap one and keep that vehicle going for a long time. EVs are still too new to make any kind of cost comparison. If I had to guess most ICE vehicles would be cheaper to fix as it stands now. Time will tell us eventually.
I do think that will ease over time when people get more comfortable EVs for private or third party repair. There's just not enough demand for such a service with so few old ones being on the road currently. My wife and I were just talking about this when it comes to my GTI. If something did happen to the engine that required replacement new from a dealer with installation is $25,800. No one does that. I certainly wouldn't with the car being worth $23k. Used is the only option in that case and even then I'm not sure I'd mess with taking chances with a used engine in a higher boost application. I guess that would all depend on the mileage if it would happen. I've only got 57k miles on it and it's still like new. Obviously very unlikely to happen on these cars under 120k miles even tuned.
I'm going by having a shop fix it. I would guess less than 1% of car owners would be able to do something like that themselves. It's only because this is car oriented forum that more people here would consider that an option. Watch some Car Wizard videos. Even a supercharger repair on an old Jag is over $4000.
I recently did a 2015 A4 2.0T OE new long block for under 7K on the door. At 25K someone is pulling your leg. Just one example, they can be found cheaper than this. I did a 2012 A4 2.0T OE new short block for under 5K and had the head redone, with a new clutch, timing components, injectors cleaned and a turbo cover repair kit 7K all in and an easy job at that.
An OE VW reman W12 short block is under 8K.
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/base-engi/06j100039p/
https://parts.columbusvw.com/p/Volkswagen_2005_Phaeton/Engine-Short-Block/54162543/077100104EX.html
Try getting a job with the morons. I applied for an assistant customer service manager. The closed the Littleton CO store then decided to reopen it but not publish the phone number. I had to call the California corporate number, who then had to put me on hold to look up the Littleton phone number tying up TWO phone lines. Second I applied for quality assurance specialist for one of their stores. Not one person answered the phone. I left a voicemail in four different departments, not one person returned my phonecall. Tesla is the only automotive company who didn't seem interested in answering or returning my phonecall. I've worked automotive sales, customer service and EVERY person that calls or comes in could be a sale/ potential future employee.
You can do on the kitchen table for under $100. LOL
Many Mercedes have a strong following. Mercedes Benz even manufacturers parts for their long out of production vehicles. Tesla changed the Model Y Frunk latch three times in the first year. Good luck figuring out which part you'll need in ten years. The 2015 Model S has a unique bolt mount and pattern that isn't compatible with any newer model S. My dads boss has a sister that had a 2015 model s and she hit someone in front of her lighty. Tesla didn't have a replacement bumper that would fit. Off to Copar it went.
