Tesla is a pain in the rear to deal with

SeaJay said:
None of the hybrid Lexus or other Toyata models are any good?
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Not really. Very poorly engineered. With enough recalls Im sure they'll get it sorted, though, lol! Very glad I traded my Rav4 Prime in.

So far Ive watched as the Prime has had recalls for fire risk if charged in cold weather, HV cable corrosion damage (happening in as little as 1 to 2 years in states that salt, and costing $5k to repair), and Im waiting to see how long Toyota takes to address the leaky roof design that destroys airbags in the A pillars on the Cross and Rav4 products.

Thus far Ive had one software recall in my EV6 GT that fixed an overvoltage possible condition that would harm the integrated charging unit. Just got it done this morning, took an hour, no problems.
 
Ws6 said:
No really good Hybrids exist except econoboxes (Prius), or hyper expensive stuff (Ferrari SF90). EV's strike a solid middle ground in the $40-120K range that punches both above and below in various ways.
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The only other car I would consider that a new Model 3 Performance is a RAV4 hybrid. I serviced and drove one that belongs to a friend's daughter; pretty impressive. Our RX450h F Sport is a great vehicle. I think the new ones are 4 bangers instead of the trusty Toyota V6.
Of course that's just me; each to their own.
 
fdcg27 said:
Is a Honda Accord an econobox?
I do know from 103K of driving that it is a really good hybrid.
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Its not luxury, and not performance oriented. What's it good at? Its got some nice features though, so it kindof falls into no mans land for me. Especially considering the mpg isnt that great. Its just competent entry level sedan thats well rounded.
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JeffKeryk said:
The only other car I would consider that a new Model 3 Performance is a RAV4 hybrid. I serviced and drove one that belongs to a friend's daughter; pretty impressive. Our RX450h F Sport is a great vehicle. I think the new ones are 4 bangers instead of the trusty Toyota V6.
Of course that's just me; each to their own.
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I had a rav4 prime. I traded out of it before the engineering defects could impact me. It was a good commuter, but very cheap inside for $45k
 
raaizin said:
What are you looking for in a car.......My daughter just bought a 2024 CRV sport Touring very nicely equipped for about 40k. Gets about 35 mpg very comfortable, great ergonomics ......
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I try to buy stand out performers in their class, unless something just really jumps out at me otherwise.
 
If not interested in the EV6, I would definitely look into an IONIC 5 N, 100%







 
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Ws6 said:
I had a rav4 prime. I traded out of it before the engineering defects could impact me. It was a good commuter, but very cheap inside for $45k
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The Honda is definitely not cheap inside as long as you get top trim...We have a Q5 and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one for myself
 
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wemay said:
If not interested in the EV6, I would definitely look into an IONIC 5 N, 100%





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I looked at one this morning. Its a nice car. Im not looking to trade my GT in on it, but if starting from a clean slate, Id have to sleep on this, or the 2025 GT facelift and tech update.

It has a half inch less ground clearance, and vertical stone magnet of a bumper and headlights. It also has a ton of settings for performance that my GT just manages behind the scenes, such as determining road surface traction parameters, etc. In my GT, you just hit the green button and it figures it out. HI5N, you program into it the road surface traction level in the infotainment. They really are vastly different. GT is a GT car, HI5N is track focused. Also, 35 series rubber. Yuck.
 
Ws6 said:
I looked at one this morning. Its a nice car. Im not looking to trade my GT in on it, but if starting from a clean slate, Id have to sleep on this, or the 2025 GT facelift and tech update.

It has a half inch less ground clearance, and vertical stone magnet of a bumper and headlights. It also has a ton of settings for performance that my GT just manages behind the scenes, such as determining road surface traction parameters, etc. In my GT, you just hit the green button and it figures it out. HI5N, you program into it the road surface traction level in the infotainment. They really are vastly different. GT is a GT car, HI5N is track focused. Also, 35 series rubber. Yuck.
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yours looks great. I've seen the facelifted one and it looks really good too.
 
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Ws6 said:
Its not luxury, and not performance oriented. What's it good at? Its got some nice features though, so it kindof falls into no mans land for me. Especially considering the mpg isnt that great. Its just competent entry level sedan thats well rounded.
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My Accord had gotten an actual 49.3 mpg from new as of around 93K, that is adding up every tank and dividing miles run by gallons used.
The HAH has a firm, well controlled ride, good handling, is very quiet in all but maximum acceleration conditions and has plenty of interior room for four adults and the trunk space to take their gear along for the journey.
Not much to recommend this car, I guess.
 
fdcg27 said:
My Accord had gotten an actual 49.3 mpg from new as of around 93K, that is adding up every tank and dividing miles run by gallons used.
The HAH has a firm, well controlled ride, good handling, is very quiet in all but maximum acceleration conditions and has plenty of interior room for four adults and the trunk space to take their gear along for the journey.
Not much to recommend this car, I guess.
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It sounds like a good commuter.
 
atikovi said:
I'm going by having a shop fix it. I would guess less than 1% of car owners would be able to do something like that themselves. It's only because this is car oriented forum that more people here would consider that an option. Watch some Car Wizard videos. Even a supercharger repair on an old Jag is over $4000.

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@Trav summed it up. You have a lot of skilled ICE DIY'ers here, the jury is still out on EVs and will be for a long time.
 
demarpaint said:
@Trav summed it up. You have a lot of skilled ICE DIY'ers here, the jury is still out on EVs and will be for a long time.
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I don't care how skilled you are, a modern vehicle is not sustainable. I think true sustainability at the "I have a good amount of tools and my head is on squarely" level left the chat sometime around the late 90s, by and large, and that's being generous by including some makes and models that held onto the simplicity of the 80s.
 
Ws6 said:
I don't care how skilled you are, a modern vehicle is not sustainable. I think true sustainability at the "I have a good amount of tools and my head is on squarely" level left the chat sometime around the late 90s, by and large, and that's being generous by including some makes and models that held onto the simplicity of the 80s.
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The biggest issue whether ice or ev is after a manufacturer decides to "No longer support or software update a vehicle. " It is kind of like my external Samsung usb blu-ray player. The website that the disk provided with it no longer works. It still plays but apparently Samsung no longer supports it.
 
demarpaint said:
@Trav summed it up. You have a lot of skilled ICE DIY'ers here, the jury is still out on EVs and will be for a long time.
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Sure, EVs are in their infancy as mass produced vehicles. As you say, time will tell.
Like ICE vehicles, there will be good ones and not so good ones.
For the 1st 5+ years of ownership, this has been the best car I have ever owned in terms of cost to maintain. I've replaced the 12v battery, 1 tire due to a nail near the sidewall, some blue WW juice and the cabin air filter. Cabin AF is a lousy design; too hard to get to and you need a small torx. Elon's wack.
 
Ws6 said:
I don't care how skilled you are, a modern vehicle is not sustainable. I think true sustainability at the "I have a good amount of tools and my head is on squarely" level left the chat sometime around the late 90s, by and large, and that's being generous by including some makes and models that held onto the simplicity of the 80s.
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If “sustainability” means “can keep on the road running until the body falls apart around it” I think it made it until the late ‘00s/early ‘10s. When manual transmissions, and non-GDI engines started disappearing.
 
Brons2 said:
Shopped some Teslas lately and I get it that they are trying to be different but man they are really a pain to deal with. First of all you have to talk to people in California just to get info, and it will be a person who texts you.

Then, they have a financing incentive of 0.99% for up to 72 months. Sure, you offer to let me use your money for almost free for a while, I might take you up on it. But if you ask to go through the pre-qual process, they will tell you that you have to put the $250 deposit down and order the car beforehand. Say what? The cost of financing will enter into my decision and you don't even want to give me an answer upfront without agreeing to order the car? Uh....I think not. I suggested to the person in CA that I look at a demo to get the answer about the pre-qual then change my mind, but she wasn't really having it.

Then there's the driving experience. I drove a model Y RWD. I understand that they're trying to be different, but, having to use the touchscreen to put the car in Drive? And having to look in the middle all the time for driving telemetry? It felt very, very unnatural. I'm sure I could get used to it, but I'm not sure that I want to.

Really the only big advantage that Tesla has is it's charging network. That's a consideration, but really, we don't take many road trips, and if we do, it's usually less than 3 hours.

Combined with the fact that I despise the complete flake that Elon Musk has turned into, I don't think we're going to consider it. There are better deals out there from other manufacturers, that have EVs that drive like normal cars and have normal instrumentation.
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My Tesla purchase was the easiest of any car I’ve bought. No waiting around, sitting in the finance office getting a warranty or some garbage pushed on me. No sales guy. I test drove one, paid for the car and picked it up with my phone.

I don’t think the Y has a touch screen shifter, you were probably in a 3.
 
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