Have they had blackouts due to people charging their EVs? I'm trying to separate fact from keyboard speculation.I believe he's talking about the grid not being up to snuff to handle all the extra load.
Have they had blackouts due to people charging their EVs? I'm trying to separate fact from keyboard speculation.I believe he's talking about the grid not being up to snuff to handle all the extra load.
They've had blackouts without EV charging making the situation worse. Cali's grid is hardly what one would call "world class". That's going to need to be addressed before significant EV penetration takes place. Places like Quebec are significantly better positioned to accommodate EV adoption expansion.Have they had blackouts due to people charging their EVs? I'm trying to separate fact from keyboard speculation.
Of course prices vary, but if you say the national average is $0.13 per kWh, then the big cars (S and X) would be about $15 for empty to full.
So maybe $7 or $8 for half.
I don't use outside SuperChargers because I charge at home with our solar panels.
CA ain't cheap. Perhaps @UncleDave can tell us what he pays...
I used to say that. But every year you wait on a solar project is another year further away from break even. I got a tax credit of 30% of my solar project which included a new roof. My PG&E bill for electricity was $2.50 last month. Usually it is about $9. I pay to be connected to the grid. I love my solar panels!Especially if the cost of solar panels comes down. My home is in an ideal location for a solar electricity system but right now the break even point is too many years away.
Of course prices vary, but if you say the national average is $0.13 per kWh, then the big cars (S and X) would be about $15 for empty to full.
So maybe $7 or $8 for half.
I don't use outside SuperChargers because I charge at home with our solar panels.
CA ain't cheap. Perhaps @UncleDave can tell us what he pays...
Have they had blackouts due to people charging their EVs? I'm trying to separate fact from keyboard speculation.
They've had blackouts without EV charging making the situation worse. Cali's grid is hardly what one would call "world class". That's going to need to be addressed before significant EV penetration takes place. Places like Quebec are significantly better positioned to accommodate EV adoption expansion.
Last Thanksgiving weekend-the charging stations in California had massive lines-I think they want to avoid the bad press-that's why they are giving this incentive in "off hours". I believe one out of every five new cars sold in California are EVs-but not totally sure on that.
There were a few places that had a crunch - the madonna inn was the one most widely publicized.
Couple of detours at the time made that station a focal point, it is enormously popular anyway.
If you showed up at the madonna inn at lunch time expecting to get a charge or a seat at the restaurant good luck.
If that was anyones plan - they chose poorly.
Try showing up at costco tonight at 5PM to fuel up. People will wait in line for an hour to save 10C.
Telsa lowers the charge time to 20 minutes to keep people moving during these periods so poeple aren't camping for long.
California’s infrastructure has many issues now and in the future.Have they had blackouts due to people charging their EVs? I'm trying to separate fact from keyboard speculation.
After spending the first 50 years of my life in California-I would agree. With all due respect-those of us of who have left and never looked back have a mantra; "California-you never know how bad it sucks until you leave".California’s infrastructure has many issues now and in the future.
Short term - supercharger/EV support is limited and long charge times compound this issue. California is huge. The distances are immense and the ability to charge outside of your home is critical. It simply hasn’t penetrated far enough to be ready for a wholesale shift to EV. I’m talking about the literal end-user charging structure. I’d have to dig up average refueling times, but as a whole fossil fuel stations move traffic through much quicker. Look at the footprint required for Tesla’s supercharger stations. The equivalent FF station needs to be much smaller to accommodate the same demand.
Long term - California’s electric grid is failing at current demand levels. Environmental regulations and budget issues prevent even simple repairs or upgrades from happening within reasonable timeframes. Money that could go to core grid upgrades has been funneled to renewable projects that often don’t produce during peak demand. On top of that we’ve decommissioned power sources before reliable and capable replacements were in place.
All of this is what happens when something as critical as an energy grid is lead by political whim du jour.
This kind of thing is literally my job.
EV is the probable future - but we are really forcing a square peg into a round hole with zero regard for the mess we make in the process.
Edit: the thing most frustrating with California is that it’s never the wealthy left coast folks who catch the brunt of these issues - it’s always the poor, the interior, and the marginalized. Those folks don’t have the money to virtue signal.
None of that at gasoline stations. Get in, fill up and go.
Plus, you get the amount of gasoline you want, not what the oil company decides for you.
Ahhh, so you get "market" rate I suspect, while they charge you retail. Have they completely done away with net metering?This is the reason I have solar, had for a year. But the electric companies are losing the giant profits they have enjoyed, and so when I sell excess power back to the utility, they pay around 2 cents a KWH. But if I use more than my solar produces, they charge me the rates shown. Quite a racket, and they are combining forces across the state to convince the King of Sacramento and the legislature that they have to charge more.
Every one has sufficient infrastructure if you price it so high people refuse to use it. However if you sell your car with "free" energy then everyone will expect you to deliver the promise.Yup. Trying to create the impression that CA infrastructure is totally ready for EV’s wholesale.
It "depends". Typically early adopter get tax credit as usual but they pay more for early tech that aren't as good as the later more advanced tech.I used to say that. But every year you wait on a solar project is another year further away from break even. I got a tax credit of 30% of my solar project which included a new roof. My PG&E bill for electricity was $2.50 last month. Usually it is about $9. I pay to be connected to the grid. I love my solar panels!
I did the math; solar is a no brainer for me. I am 3 years into solar and love it. Last month I paid under $3 for electricity; usually I pay around $9.It "depends". Typically early adopter get tax credit as usual but they pay more for early tech that aren't as good as the later more advanced tech.
Just like the early hybrid days, Pruis 1 wasn't that great, was expensive, but you get carpool lane access. Prius 2 got much better and cheaper but you get less incentive and you have to compete for the carpool lane access with more hybrid. Today you get no incentive for hybrid but it is much better, with known battery reliability, and it is way cheaper than earlier hybrids.
Same for solar, the panels are getting cheaper and better, and of course, the incentive is lowered.
That's the thing, you 'need a new roof' anyways. Mine is Spanish Tile and it would be foolish for me to get a "new roof".I did the math; solar is a no brainer for me. I am 3 years into solar and love it. Last month I paid under $3 for electricity; usually I pay around $9.
I got 30% off the solar project, including a new roof with the Federal Tax Credit. I should have these stupid low rates for the next 20+ years.
The Tesla gets me to break even faster.
And I got the newest LG panels and Enphase inverter.
I love my solar. You snooze you lose.