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I took the survey. Tom, when the results of the survey are posted, let us know.
Will do.
Took it, and pretty much bashed Dexos1.
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JHZR2
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Other manufacturers require spec-specific oils (BMW LL-01/04, MB 228/229.x, Honda HTO-04), etc. Why shouldn't GM? These other specs are required for warranty maintenance, etc., and can be avoided at the owner's choice as desired after the warranty expires. GM has actually been a leader in extended OCIs in the USA, as the saab 9-3 has used the GM-LL-025-A in the US successfully (verified via UOA) brought forth extended OCIs, and improvements in the engine oil quality will mean that the non-premium, typical consumer will be able to utilize such operations.
Took the survey. My feelings are mixed.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Other manufacturers require spec-specific oils (BMW LL-01/04, MB 228/229.x, Honda HTO-06), etc. Why shouldn't GM?
I agree with this completely. GM has decided that the new GF-5 standard isn't going to work for them so they raised the bar.
Other manufacturers require spec-specific oils (BMW LL-01/04, MB 228/229.x, Honda HTO-06), etc. Why shouldn't GM?
I agree with this completely. GM has decided that the new GF-5 standard isn't going to work for them so they raised the bar.
I took the survey. I think the idea behind the new spec is good, but it is just another letter in the alphabet soup that is oil specs. I think it just adds confusion for the consumer, especially those with late model GM vehicles who might be unsure if they should switch to a dexos standard oil or not.
I took it.
I have ZERO problems with the spec. it's the licensing scam that is the true rip off. Of course most BITOGers don't pick up on things that drive oil costs UP.
I have ZERO problems with the spec. it's the licensing scam that is the true rip off. Of course most BITOGers don't pick up on things that drive oil costs UP.
I took it. I'm all for GM having a spec. that allows even longer drain intervals. Many automakers including GM have been doing this. Perhaps the licensing costs are more than some would like but it really doesn't seem that excessive to me. I'll wait and see how much the price of PP jumps before I get too excited. I doubt I'll even notice though since the price seems to bounce around already. I'm all for longer drain intervals, especially if the factory is supporting it and gives us a good tool like the OLM to judge when to change the oil.
I took it too. As a few others here, I like the spec but don't like the special licensing.
For example, if you go to gf-5.com and look at the spider web graph, it's not hard to see that an oil that meets both GF-5 and dexos1 is going to be a nice performer as opposed to an oil that's just GF-5.
An oil like the one at this LINK
For example, if you go to gf-5.com and look at the spider web graph, it's not hard to see that an oil that meets both GF-5 and dexos1 is going to be a nice performer as opposed to an oil that's just GF-5.
An oil like the one at this LINK
the oil on that link, amsoil xl 5w30 is not GM licensed. it just meets or exceeds the spec. if i had a car that requires dexos-1 i would not use the amsoil xl until my warranty was over. i understand magnuson moss, but i would not want a warranty issue.
The only consumers that will be affected by this Dexos1 requirement in GM vehicles or any brand for that matter will be the ones that actually read their owners manual. We all know that dealerships don't even use their manufacturer's labeled oil for oil changes, unless you ask for it and get charged twice as much. An example of this is the '09 Toyota RAV4 I bought awhile back. When I asked the service manager what oil they use for the first five free oil changes that I was offered, he said whatever they have in the bulk drum in the back (he thought it might be Valvoline). It would not be the Toyota Labeled oil.
So what does this mean for the naive consumer? Nothing really. It will be business as usual.
So what does this mean for the naive consumer? Nothing really. It will be business as usual.
Originally Posted By: pompadour
the oil on that link, amsoil xl 5w30 is not GM licensed. it just meets or exceeds the spec. if i had a car that requires dexos-1 i would not use the amsoil xl until my warranty was over. i understand magnuson moss, but i would not want a warranty issue.
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
the oil on that link, amsoil xl 5w30 is not GM licensed. it just meets or exceeds the spec. if i had a car that requires dexos-1 i would not use the amsoil xl until my warranty was over. i understand magnuson moss, but i would not want a warranty issue.
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
i would totally agree with that. i would go farther and say that people will see "meets or exceeds dexos1..." and assume they are licensed.
the vast majority of people do not spend much time thinking about oil.
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
i would totally agree with that. i would go farther and say that people will see "meets or exceeds dexos1..." and assume they are licensed.
the vast majority of people do not spend much time thinking about oil.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
i would totally agree with that. i would go farther and say that people will see "meets or exceeds dexos1..." and assume they are licensed.
the vast majority of people do not spend much time thinking about oil.
Exactly!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I would expect other companies that don't want to pay for the Dexos license could easily follow Amsoil and say they meet/exceed the spec as well. Just some in house testing to back the claims. In time I'm sure that is what they'll do. I'd say a very high % of oil users either buy their favorite brand or use what is on sale for DYI oil changes. Few pay attention to the label. JMO
i would totally agree with that. i would go farther and say that people will see "meets or exceeds dexos1..." and assume they are licensed.
the vast majority of people do not spend much time thinking about oil.
Exactly!
Took the survey. thionk this is one of the dumbest things GM has ever done.
They've always been the 'everyman's' car - nothing fancy needed. Now, they thing they can go upmarket by having a 'specific GM oil'....it's gonna backfire on them...bigtime.
They've always been the 'everyman's' car - nothing fancy needed. Now, they thing they can go upmarket by having a 'specific GM oil'....it's gonna backfire on them...bigtime.
If they put it on the label than they have to be able to prove its true or its false advertising.
Lets see if anyone can prove AMSOIL does not meet or exceed the dexos1 spec. That is not a bet you will want to take because AMSOIL stakes its reputation on it and you can believe they can back it up all the way. Their additive and base oil suppliers are the who's who of the business.
The GM license is all about making money for GM and its dealers. It will only let those in who pay them. Its all about the money.
btw-There is not way any lab can tell if the oil you are using is dexos licensed or not.
Lets see if anyone can prove AMSOIL does not meet or exceed the dexos1 spec. That is not a bet you will want to take because AMSOIL stakes its reputation on it and you can believe they can back it up all the way. Their additive and base oil suppliers are the who's who of the business.
The GM license is all about making money for GM and its dealers. It will only let those in who pay them. Its all about the money.
btw-There is not way any lab can tell if the oil you are using is dexos licensed or not.
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