Hi all, I looked around and found posts of when supertech started getting the dexos label on bottles but now I have noticed the new style supertech bottles no longer carry the dexos label? Did Supertech drop dexos?
Supertech no longer dexos?
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Originally Posted by Oilied
Hi all, I looked around and found posts of when supertech started getting the dexos label on bottles but now I have noticed the new style supertech bottles no longer carry the dexos label? Did Supertech drop dexos?
The jug my friend gave me of Super Tech High Mileage Syn 5w30 still says DEXOS 1 GEN 2 right on front of jug
Hi all, I looked around and found posts of when supertech started getting the dexos label on bottles but now I have noticed the new style supertech bottles no longer carry the dexos label? Did Supertech drop dexos?
The jug my friend gave me of Super Tech High Mileage Syn 5w30 still says DEXOS 1 GEN 2 right on front of jug
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
My guess is you saw some New old stock in your store. My Walmart still has Dexos gen2 in the store and online.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
This again? If AMSOIL Signature Series was a bad oil it wouldn't have proven to provide EXCELLENT (extended drain, severe service) service life in real world vehicles as well as a bunch of great used oil analysis. Certifications are nice and all, and prevent bottom of the barrel junk oil from going into modern high-tech engines, but when it comes to a premium product like AMSOIL, real world results are more important than paying a licensing fee.
Besides, I was under the impression AMSOIL Signature Series ONLY fails Dexos1Gen2 requirements due to a slightly higher percentage of sulfated ash than they allow, but doesn't fail the performance aspect of it? Am I wrong?
And even their OE series that's like what 1/2 to 2/3 the price of Signature Series, has excellent used oil analysis on here that are on par with other products at similar price ranges. I work at an auto parts store and people frequently pay full price on their favorite brand of oil even if it's not on sale. Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, PP, Valvoline Synthetic, is like what, $40-44/5qt regular price? That's as much as AMSOIL Signature Series or MORE than AMSOIL OE...
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
This again? If AMSOIL Signature Series was a bad oil it wouldn't have proven to provide EXCELLENT (extended drain, severe service) service life in real world vehicles as well as a bunch of great used oil analysis. Certifications are nice and all, and prevent bottom of the barrel junk oil from going into modern high-tech engines, but when it comes to a premium product like AMSOIL, real world results are more important than paying a licensing fee.
Besides, I was under the impression AMSOIL Signature Series ONLY fails Dexos1Gen2 requirements due to a slightly higher percentage of sulfated ash than they allow, but doesn't fail the performance aspect of it? Am I wrong?
And even their OE series that's like what 1/2 to 2/3 the price of Signature Series, has excellent used oil analysis on here that are on par with other products at similar price ranges. I work at an auto parts store and people frequently pay full price on their favorite brand of oil even if it's not on sale. Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, PP, Valvoline Synthetic, is like what, $40-44/5qt regular price? That's as much as AMSOIL Signature Series or MORE than AMSOIL OE...
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dogmeme,
They didn't fail the GM Dexos test because of slightly higher SA, they didn't do the test because they don't want to pay the fee. I posted an e-mail in another thread where they said this.
They did run all the tests to ASTM standards and GM's tests to prove it was capable and they back it by their own warranty and it's protected by the Moss-Magnuson act anyway in the U.S. but for those still "concerned" they can run the XL or OE lines which are officially API licensed and claim to meet the same standards.
I just don't want anyone to think that Signature Series isn't capable of the task of an economy oil like Supertech for example that was officially Dexos licensed. (Or at least it was)
Besides, we know that the Dexos oil spec (although a good one) is only to fix GM's poor engineering and/or poor choice of components along with some VW's because literally every other timing chain-ed vehicled on the road doesn't have issues with non-dexos spec'ed oil. Like the Million mile chevy van where the guy did 25,000 mile OCI's on it and then it was torn apart and measured and was found to be within like new tolerances or 1% wear. http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/brochures/million_mile_van.pdf (A GM Timing chain engine)
They didn't fail the GM Dexos test because of slightly higher SA, they didn't do the test because they don't want to pay the fee. I posted an e-mail in another thread where they said this.
They did run all the tests to ASTM standards and GM's tests to prove it was capable and they back it by their own warranty and it's protected by the Moss-Magnuson act anyway in the U.S. but for those still "concerned" they can run the XL or OE lines which are officially API licensed and claim to meet the same standards.
I just don't want anyone to think that Signature Series isn't capable of the task of an economy oil like Supertech for example that was officially Dexos licensed. (Or at least it was)
Besides, we know that the Dexos oil spec (although a good one) is only to fix GM's poor engineering and/or poor choice of components along with some VW's because literally every other timing chain-ed vehicled on the road doesn't have issues with non-dexos spec'ed oil. Like the Million mile chevy van where the guy did 25,000 mile OCI's on it and then it was torn apart and measured and was found to be within like new tolerances or 1% wear. http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/brochures/million_mile_van.pdf (A GM Timing chain engine)
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Originally Posted by dogememe
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
This again? If AMSOIL Signature Series was a bad oil it wouldn't have proven to provide EXCELLENT (extended drain, severe service) service life in real world vehicles as well as a bunch of great used oil analysis. Certifications are nice and all, and prevent bottom of the barrel junk oil from going into modern high-tech engines, but when it comes to a premium product like AMSOIL, real world results are more important than paying a licensing fee.
Besides, I was under the impression AMSOIL Signature Series ONLY fails Dexos1Gen2 requirements due to a slightly higher percentage of sulfated ash than they allow, but doesn't fail the performance aspect of it? Am I wrong?
And even their OE series that's like what 1/2 to 2/3 the price of Signature Series, has excellent used oil analysis on here that are on par with other products at similar price ranges. I work at an auto parts store and people frequently pay full price on their favorite brand of oil even if it's not on sale. Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, PP, Valvoline Synthetic, is like what, $44/5qt regular price? That's like $9 quart, comparable to AMSOIL Signature Series, and AMSOIL OE is actually cheaper than that!
Where did I say it wasn't any good? I just said it wouldn't pass certification.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by benjy
high priced Amsoil skips many certs as well.
Except on their XL / OE line.
Which says to me the original ones won't pass. Why pay for a new forumlation, making it, new packaging/labelling etc etc when you can just pay a small fee to certify what exists already?
This again? If AMSOIL Signature Series was a bad oil it wouldn't have proven to provide EXCELLENT (extended drain, severe service) service life in real world vehicles as well as a bunch of great used oil analysis. Certifications are nice and all, and prevent bottom of the barrel junk oil from going into modern high-tech engines, but when it comes to a premium product like AMSOIL, real world results are more important than paying a licensing fee.
Besides, I was under the impression AMSOIL Signature Series ONLY fails Dexos1Gen2 requirements due to a slightly higher percentage of sulfated ash than they allow, but doesn't fail the performance aspect of it? Am I wrong?
And even their OE series that's like what 1/2 to 2/3 the price of Signature Series, has excellent used oil analysis on here that are on par with other products at similar price ranges. I work at an auto parts store and people frequently pay full price on their favorite brand of oil even if it's not on sale. Castrol Edge, Mobil 1, PP, Valvoline Synthetic, is like what, $44/5qt regular price? That's like $9 quart, comparable to AMSOIL Signature Series, and AMSOIL OE is actually cheaper than that!
Where did I say it wasn't any good? I just said it wouldn't pass certification.
Double check the type of SuperTech. Only the Full Synthetic 0W20 and 5W30 have the Dexos1 gen 2 cert. The conventional 5w30 and any 10w30 are out of Dexos1 gen 2 specs.
I just bought some Supertech 5w30 Synthetic for my March OC and it is Dexos2 and SN+. Says right on the jug. $15.97.
Originally Posted by StevieC
dogmeme,
They didn't fail the GM Dexos test because of slightly higher SA, they didn't do the test because they don't want to pay the fee. I posted an e-mail in another thread where they said this.
They did run all the tests to ASTM standards and GM's tests to prove it was capable and they back it by their own warranty and it's protected by the Moss-Magnuson act anyway in the U.S.
I just don't want anyone to think that Signature Series isn't capable of the task of an economy oil like Supertech for example that was officially Dexos licensed. (Or at least it was)
Besides, we know that the Dexos oil spec (although a good one) is only to fix GM's poor engineering and/or poor choice of components along with some VW's because literally every other timing chain-ed vehicled on the road doesn't have issues with non-dexos spec'ed oil. Like the Million mile chevy van where the guy did 25,000 mile OCI's on it and then it was torn apart and measured and was found to be within like new tolerances or 1% wear. http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/brochures/million_mile_van.pdf (A GM Timing chain engine)
I think the high SA level is a marketing point for the kind of driver who will most likely be attracted to SS...lots of enthusiasts want an oil that they see as stout.
dogmeme,
They didn't fail the GM Dexos test because of slightly higher SA, they didn't do the test because they don't want to pay the fee. I posted an e-mail in another thread where they said this.
They did run all the tests to ASTM standards and GM's tests to prove it was capable and they back it by their own warranty and it's protected by the Moss-Magnuson act anyway in the U.S.
I just don't want anyone to think that Signature Series isn't capable of the task of an economy oil like Supertech for example that was officially Dexos licensed. (Or at least it was)
Besides, we know that the Dexos oil spec (although a good one) is only to fix GM's poor engineering and/or poor choice of components along with some VW's because literally every other timing chain-ed vehicled on the road doesn't have issues with non-dexos spec'ed oil. Like the Million mile chevy van where the guy did 25,000 mile OCI's on it and then it was torn apart and measured and was found to be within like new tolerances or 1% wear. http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/brochures/million_mile_van.pdf (A GM Timing chain engine)
I think the high SA level is a marketing point for the kind of driver who will most likely be attracted to SS...lots of enthusiasts want an oil that they see as stout.
Originally Posted by dadto2
Double check the type of SuperTech. Only the Full Synthetic 0W20 and 5W30 have the Dexos1 gen 2 cert. The conventional 5w30 and any 10w30 are out of Dexos1 gen 2 specs.
I don't think I've seen any conventional d1G2 oils, but I can't say that I've looked hard for them...Subaru actually recommends synthetic for my vehicle.
I know that Pennzoil Gold blend 5W30 was d1G2, but I also haven't seen that on the shelves for many months.
Double check the type of SuperTech. Only the Full Synthetic 0W20 and 5W30 have the Dexos1 gen 2 cert. The conventional 5w30 and any 10w30 are out of Dexos1 gen 2 specs.
I don't think I've seen any conventional d1G2 oils, but I can't say that I've looked hard for them...Subaru actually recommends synthetic for my vehicle.
I know that Pennzoil Gold blend 5W30 was d1G2, but I also haven't seen that on the shelves for many months.
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
I think the high SA level is a marketing point for the kind of driver who will most likely be attracted to SS...lots of enthusiasts want an oil that they see as stout.
I agree... that's why they brought out XL / OE to fulfil the needs of folks worried about warranty etc. but still want a great oil, and those seeking out the best performance can choose the Signature line.
I think the high SA level is a marketing point for the kind of driver who will most likely be attracted to SS...lots of enthusiasts want an oil that they see as stout.
I agree... that's why they brought out XL / OE to fulfil the needs of folks worried about warranty etc. but still want a great oil, and those seeking out the best performance can choose the Signature line.
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Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by dadto2
Double check the type of SuperTech. Only the Full Synthetic 0W20 and 5W30 have the Dexos1 gen 2 cert. The conventional 5w30 and any 10w30 are out of Dexos1 gen 2 specs.
I don't think I've seen any conventional d1G2 oils, but I can't say that I've looked hard for them...Subaru actually recommends synthetic for my vehicle.
I know that Pennzoil Gold blend 5W30 was d1G2, but I also haven't seen that on the shelves for many months.
Yeah, there are no conventional Dexos1 gen2 oils. A syn blend can meet the certs, but not conventional.
Also, it occurred to me that WPP/WNE produced SuperTech has the Dexos license, and is unlikely to drop it because it's the same license across all the private label brands that WPP/WNE produces. But if the SuperTech in your region is sourced from a different manufacturer, it's possible that it lacks the Dexos cert. I would think that WalMart would strive for consistent product certs no matter the source, however.
Originally Posted by dadto2
Double check the type of SuperTech. Only the Full Synthetic 0W20 and 5W30 have the Dexos1 gen 2 cert. The conventional 5w30 and any 10w30 are out of Dexos1 gen 2 specs.
I don't think I've seen any conventional d1G2 oils, but I can't say that I've looked hard for them...Subaru actually recommends synthetic for my vehicle.
I know that Pennzoil Gold blend 5W30 was d1G2, but I also haven't seen that on the shelves for many months.
Yeah, there are no conventional Dexos1 gen2 oils. A syn blend can meet the certs, but not conventional.
Also, it occurred to me that WPP/WNE produced SuperTech has the Dexos license, and is unlikely to drop it because it's the same license across all the private label brands that WPP/WNE produces. But if the SuperTech in your region is sourced from a different manufacturer, it's possible that it lacks the Dexos cert. I would think that WalMart would strive for consistent product certs no matter the source, however.
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