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Originally Posted By: sleddriver

Yesterday's Flower Children are Today's Blooming Idiots!


Yea they managed to fool folks like Steven Hawking. But they haven't fooled Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck...lol
 
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Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: sleddriver

Yesterday's Flower Children are Today's Blooming Idiots!


Yea they managed to fool folks like Steven Hawking. But they haven't fooled Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck...lol
Who is Steven Hawking?
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Yesterday's Flower Children are Today's Blooming Idiots!
Yea they managed to fool folks like Steven Hawking. But they haven't fooled Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck...lol

That's it? A simple, stupid drive-by?? Devoid of reason? I guess that's the best you CAN do. An lol..not even an LOL?

BTW, my post was a reply to SS. I'll get to you later...(maybe).

Lastly, you feathers do flock together, don't you. Go look up the difference between Steven and Stephen. Then re-read your post.

LOL...
 
LOL..You got the last word I'm done.
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Originally Posted By: buster
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The climate denial industry is out to dupe the public. And it's working



Love that statement.

I guess it works so well that now we have EPA running unrestricted, CO2 trading is in full force, scheduled to generate billions upon billions of dollars, and all sorts of environmental fees, taxes etc. are creeping in for the general public, we can't build new power plants and forget about drilling for oil. Yes, it's all because of the climate change/global warming deniers
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From my experience from '94-'95 the beginning and through 2000 weather here in Hawaii had long heated days. While up North(mainland) the last 3 years was heating up here in Hawaii had some funny weather. Hail size golf balls hit here during the winter. While it should had been a lot hotter here the last 3 years during the summer like up North it was actually cooler with a lot of clouds. In fact it's been cooler the last 10 years so I can't say we had global warming here? Lot of air conditioner turned off. Also the wind pattern change. I'd say 80% of days were Easterly winds or N. Easterly winds. The trade winds were just about gone.

One thing is the Global Conveyor Belt....should a Hurricane hit from the North it will break apart from the cold waters here in Hawaii. A lot of storms and CAT 4 Hurricanes were hitting shifting way up north breaking apart thus reason for a lot of clouds and cooling during the hotter summer months. The wind pattern changed with the lack of trade winds storms veered up north producing cloudy conditions.

So I would say temperature here in Hawaii after 2000 has been much cooler than normal from the last El Nino of '97-'98. The absent of the trade winds may have contributed to this effect. I DON'T KNOW JUST FROM OBSERVATION. So if data suggest global warming should had been hotter here it was not just the opposite much cooler, lack of sun.

Presently the trades winds seem to be more frequent. The absent of the trade winds were blame for the drought during the 2000's years. Light frequent cooling showers and many cloudy days with a lack of rain. The drought wasn't as bad but rainfall fell short. Lack of heat made the drought less severe.

Shifting of winds and ocean currents may shift different temperature around the globe different patterns. Presently here in Hawaii it's about the hottest summer the last 10 years but not as bad as in the '90's still a little too much clouds but it's changing. The trade winds seem to have an impact on the weather. Hurricanes are more of possible threat with the trade winds vs the Easterly winds.

If global warming should had been hotter here in Hawaii it was not. It's been cooler due to the shifting of winds and the Global Conveyor Current breaking Cat 4 Hurricanes and storms cooling them off with lots of clouds.

Perhaps the wind pattern has been changing, the changing of the Global Conveyor Belt...I do believe there is a balance the heating and cooling in the ocean. Hurricanes need to be cooled off but also I DO BELIEVE hurricanes are necessary in nature. They are the ocean cleansers it's a balancing act.

Einstein once stated man can not understand nature what goes under the soil. Also I don't believe man will understand fully about the ocean, currents and wind pattern. He is not capable to understand it. Einstein also said he does not believe evolution could had produce this. There had to be a creator but man is not capable to understand who this creator is.
 
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Yesterday's Flower Children are Today's Blooming Idiots!
Yea they managed to fool folks like Steven Hawking. But they haven't fooled Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck...lol

That's it? A simple, stupid drive-by?? Devoid of reason? I guess that's the best you CAN do. An lol..not even an LOL?

BTW, my post was a reply to SS. I'll get to you later...(maybe).

Lastly, you feathers do flock together, don't you. Go look up the difference between Steven and Stephen. Then re-read your post.

LOL...


Alright sleddriver - way to focus on grammatical typos. That's a great argument.
Never mind the fact that Stephen or Steven seems a wee bit smarter than the others posted up there - anti left anything Rush or conspiracy crazy Beck. Those are the guys who's "theories" you want to believe? Not Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Bill Nye? You know, people who study and apply scientific theory.


Maybe you guys can start building an Arc for when the sea levels rise. You know, it only takes two from every species and apparently the planet will be saved for future generations. I'm sure that's backed by historical evidence, right?




Whatever - everyone enjoy your weekend whether its warm or cold!
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Remember when the merest mention of global warming or climate change would get a thread locked and perhaps deleted on this forum?

What a polarizing subject.
 
Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Originally Posted By: surfstar
hatt, your state is leading the charge in biased, anti science, denier, politicians

I think you have it backwards....exactly backwards. Mere agit-prop from the hive mind of eco-concensus. The wheels have already come off the mass-movement formerly known as global warming/AGW/climate-change. It's shattered into pieces after running straight into the ditch. So typical of all leftist movements founded on hysteria, raw emotion, fear and insecurity. No doubt brilliant in their speed, getting others quickly on-board, and their use of politik-speak and phrasing to unite the cause and propel the movement forward. Mark Twain said "A lie can get half-way around the world before the Truth ever gets its boots on." Indeed. Truth has finally done so, and caught up, and exposed yet another radicalized, environmental mass-movement for what lies at its heart: Man-made Fraud.

There's nothing new here. I've seen and heard it all before. One of the advantages of age and a keen skeptical eye for fads...and frauds. PT Barnum was right "There IS a sucker born every minute."

When the eco-movement started in the late 50's it wasn't nearly as radical and militant as it is now. However, history shows this is the defined path of such emotional mass-movements as they progress through the stages. The topics then were global freezing, over-population, Love Canal, DDT & nuclear power.

How ironic the later has the renewable hip-hop-flip-flop eco-crowd wrapping their arms around its cooling towers! Where is Simkin when I need him? He'd tear his smelly t-shirt, dump organic ashes on his head and drive his VW bus on the sidewalk at such news. Not to mention shut-up..finally.

Re: Kudos to Florida for eliminating the agit-speak in govn't documents. Those terms are nothing but aging, useless politik now. Burned through and cindered from the hot fires of the 1st stage.

Originally Posted By: surfstar
When it comes to biased scientists, I'm betting that there are much fewer in the 97% that agree vs the 3% who are obviously paid to disagree.

More agit-prop and backward statements. Further you aren't even aware of how foolish you look using that as an argument. Talk about a straw-man. Time to come up with something else as that play-book is already out in the open. Finally, "much" fewer?? FAR fewer.


Originally Posted By: surfstar
It is much easier to take down the opponents. Because, as you've seen, all of the denier articles etc, come from highly biased sources, that were paid for by Big Oil/Coal/etc or by groups who were founded with the specific purpose of denying climate change (who in turn are paid by those same corps).

Yawn....dude. You're just reguritating the agit-speak you've been willingly spoon-fed by the hive mind. Same song, verse 10,000,000. We've all heard it before. Bigxxx: Bad. Big_Green: Good. You should learn to think for yourself, independant of the hive-mind of eco-conscience, where resistance is futile. You should learn to question such abusive authority.

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Universities that fund the majority of scientific research were not founded on those types of principals.

Really? The glistening-white-ivory-towers of academia are immune to such infection and corruption? Hardly. Once again, you've got it backwards: They're bastions of it. Left and ... well even more left. Not only have you drunk the Kool-Aid, you're doing so from the very hot-pot in which you're being boiled! Have you checked your temp lately?

One more grammer lesson: Go look up the difference between principals and principles. You've gotten that one backwards as well...

Finally, while you are entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts. These are indeed inconvenient Truths. The alcohol-fueled emotional mass-movement ref'd to was so busy, going so fast, head-down, texting, they ran right into the FACTS. Inheritantly unyielding, that's why "the movement" is in pieces, in the ditch.

Spouting such, from a failed, twisted state such a Calif. makes you look really bad and foolish. What a shame such a beautiful state, with such a beautiful coastline, has suffered from such closed-minded, aging 60's radicals, still desperately attempting to hold onto power. Perhaps their arthritis prevents them from letting go?

Yesterday's Flower Children are Today's Blooming Idiots!

Indeed...



Zero. Value. Added.

Some of the others, including the deniers, have posted articles and intellectual thoughts. You've shared your own ravings. Seriously, unless you're any sort of intellectual in an applicable, relevant field, then your pointless post doesn't even amount to conjecture; it seems to amount to nothing more than petty name-calling.

That comment is for any one throwing the left vs right, right vs wrong argument around. None of our affiliations and opinions mean anything, unless they're able to be backed up. As an outsider to this arfument and a born skeptic, some of the posts here make me feel embarrassed for the author, not better informed or swayed to one side or the other.

Finally, 'grammar' was the word you were looking for. When you're going to school someone on something so stupid and petty, you might want to spell check.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
In a way, he's right. We're all going to die no matter what.
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Besides, in a few billions years the sun is going to burn out and we're all doomed anyhow.
His worry about global warming hundreds of years down the road is laughable. In a hundred years we're either going to be unimaginably advanced easily capable of nudging the Earth's climate any way we want or back to caves.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Garak
In a way, he's right. We're all going to die no matter what.
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Besides, in a few billions years the sun is going to burn out and we're all doomed anyhow.
His worry about global warming hundreds of years down the road is laughable. In a hundred years we're either going to be unimaginably advanced easily capable of nudging the Earth's climate any way we want or back to caves.


I thought only a few posts ago nothing that we do could affect the climate ?
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Garak
In a way, he's right. We're all going to die no matter what.
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Besides, in a few billions years the sun is going to burn out and we're all doomed anyhow.
His worry about global warming hundreds of years down the road is laughable. In a hundred years we're either going to be unimaginably advanced easily capable of nudging the Earth's climate any way we want or back to caves.


I thought only a few posts ago nothing that we do could affect the climate ?

You were able to use the quote feature in this post. Why not quote the post you were talking about?
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
...arfument and a born skeptic, some of the posts here make me feel embarrassed for the author, not better informed or swayed to one side or the other.

Finally, 'grammar' was the word you were looking for. When you're going to school someone on something so stupid and petty, you might want to spell check.


If you're going to lecture someone on grammar and spelling, might want to check your own spelling, too...
 
Originally Posted By: Al
July was the hottest global month ever. This year is on track to be the hottest global year ever.http://news.yahoo.com/feeling-heat-earth-july-hottest-month-record-150129081.html


Lets look piece-by-piece at Seth's article:

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July's average temperature was 61.86 degrees Fahrenheit, beating the previous global mark set in 1998 and 2010 by about one-seventh of a degree, according to figures released Thursday by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. That's a large margin for weather records, with previous monthly heat records broken by a 20th of a degree or less.

1/7 = 0.143. 1/20 = 0.05. Delta % = 186% increase. ALARMING! TIME TO PANIC! Really? How many data points, where were they taken and who collected the data?

No complaints here in CenTx at all if the ave. July temp. was 61.86°F. Instead it's closer to 99°F..and that's in the shade. The solar heat index is much higher.

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The first seven months of 2015 were the hottest January-to-July span on record, according to NOAA. The seven-month average temperature of 58.43 degrees is 1.53 degrees warmer than the 20th-century average and a sixth of a degree warmer than the old record set in 2010.
See above.

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Crouch, Blunden and other scientists outside of the government said these temperatures are caused by a combination of man-made climate change and a strong, near-record El Nino. An El Nino is a warming of the equatorial Pacific Ocean that alters weather worldwide for about a year.

The oceans drove the globe to record levels. Not only were the world's oceans the warmest they've been in July, but they were 1.35 degrees warmer than the 20th-century average.


Crouch, Blunden, et. al. didn't mention, nor did Seth report, the contribution of each. "A strong, near-record El Nino." You think the formers contribution was anywhere near the laters? For an article based on a delta-T of 1/7°F, that's a critical detail to leave out.

Those two sentences are sure bold statements. Again where were the measurements taken? How many data points? The reason statistical analytical methods are so important in data collection is because a simple average can be very misleading and wrong.

Finally, if the worlds oceans were so hot, then why no hurricanes from Africa heading to the Eastern Seaboard? Why hasn't Florida already been hit? What about the Gulf of Mexico? Frankly, IF AGW has continuously increased over the past few decades, then why so few hurricanes in the Atlantic? They love hot ocean surface temps.

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This shows that despite what climate change doubters say, there is no pause in warming since 1998, Blunden said.

It doesn't matter if a month or a year is No. 1 or No. 2 or No. 5 hottest on record, said University of Georgia climate scientist Marshall Shepherd.

"The records are getting attention but I worry the public will grow weary of reports of new records each month," Shepherd said in an email. "I am more concerned about how the Earth is starting to respond to the changes and the implications for my children."


If they're basing their facts on something as small as 1/7 or even 1/20°F, then what's the range of the error bars? There's no such thing as a perfect thermometer, with no error bars, no +- tol. figure. That's another statistical issue.

The Earth has been through billions of years of weather and thousands of generations of children, probably more. Yet here I am typing this, in Tx, where it's far hotter this time of year than the vast majority of the USA and I'm alive! Imagine that. Further, the first seven months here in 2015 were some of the COOLEST and wettest on record. Including MAY and June and the first half of JULY. Go figure...
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Zero. Value. Added.

Some of the others, including the deniers, have posted articles and intellectual thoughts. You've shared your own ravings. Seriously, unless you're any sort of intellectual in an applicable, relevant field, then your pointless post doesn't even amount to conjecture; it seems to amount to nothing more than petty name-calling.

That comment is for any one throwing the left vs right, right vs wrong argument around. None of our affiliations and opinions mean anything, unless they're able to be backed up. As an outsider to this arfument and a born skeptic, some of the posts here make me feel embarrassed for the author, not better informed or swayed to one side or the other.

Finally, 'grammar' was the word you were looking for. When you're going to school someone on something so stupid and petty, you might want to spell check.

Really? The eco-movement is indeed a mass-movement. Many studies on them and cults have been done in an attempt to explain why rationale people would ever do anything so irrational. And furthermore, indoctrinate their own children. IOW, the draw of the belief is even stronger than their own desire for their own children's best interests and welfare. The power of belief is that strong. Think about it..

I think a B.Sc. in Electrical Engineering from a major university, known for its engineering dept., qualifies as a rigorous intellectual, applicable, relevant field. You could have easily checked this FIRST by looking at my profile...

I could have easily spent hours posting articles, data, analysis, etc. Others have already done that. Still others have been doing that for decades now. Has it made any difference? Not to the True Believers. They're still wedded to their own emotional cause, regardless of the facts. Because their vision doesn't rely on facts. It's a far higher cause, a belief, than that. At this stage, the AGW mass-movement has moved beyond facts. It's a religion. Very similar to a religious cult. Facts no longer matter. Remember, in the 70's, the overwhelming BELIEF was global cooling. Even TIME said so. Therefore, it must be gospel, right?

If you're truly interested in the behavior of mass-movements, then read Eric Hoffer's excellent book: The True Believer: Thoughts on The Nature of Mass-Movements. He was a longshoreman, in San Francisco, during the 50's & 60's and a very, keen observer of human nature. After that, I'd suggest Thomas Sowell's excellent book The Vision of The Anointed.

That is, unless you're too lazy:
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I really don't have enough data to draw my own conclusions, mostly due to my own laziness.

"The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read" - Mark Twain

For someone with insufficient data to draw his own conclusions, "mostly due to his own laziness", just what value did you add??

.Zero.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Alright sleddriver - way to focus on grammatical typos. That's a great argument.
Never mind the fact that Stephen or Steven seems a wee bit smarter than the others posted up there - anti left anything Rush or conspiracy crazy Beck. Those are the guys who's "theories" you want to believe? Not Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Bill Nye? You know, people who study and apply scientific theory.

Maybe you guys can start building an Arc for when the sea levels rise. You know, it only takes two from every species and apparently the planet will be saved for future generations. I'm sure that's backed by historical evidence, right?

Whatever - everyone enjoy your weekend whether its warm or cold!
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Dude, you'll create a better impression if you check your spelling.

I never quoted nor referred to Rush or Beck. I actually prefer RUSH the band.

I also study and apply scientific theory: I have a B.Sc. in Electrical Engineering. I also hold an Extra-class radio license and am a visual astronomer. I've been studying science since I was old enough to hold a screwdriver.

I do enjoy wood-working, but building an ark is a bit out of my league! I do enjoy heavy-air sailing and formerly owned two boats.

BEER we can agree on!
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
...arfument and a born skeptic, some of the posts here make me feel embarrassed for the author, not better informed or swayed to one side or the other.

Finally, 'grammar' was the word you were looking for. When you're going to school someone on something so stupid and petty, you might want to spell check.


If you're going to lecture someone on grammar and spelling, might want to check your own spelling, too...


You missed the point, bubba. If I have to explain ironing to you...

Originally Posted By: sleddriver
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Zero. Value. Added.

Some of the others, including the deniers, have posted articles and intellectual thoughts. You've shared your own ravings. Seriously, unless you're any sort of intellectual in an applicable, relevant field, then your pointless post doesn't even amount to conjecture; it seems to amount to nothing more than petty name-calling.

That comment is for any one throwing the left vs right, right vs wrong argument around. None of our affiliations and opinions mean anything, unless they're able to be backed up. As an outsider to this arfument and a born skeptic, some of the posts here make me feel embarrassed for the author, not better informed or swayed to one side or the other.

Finally, 'grammar' was the word you were looking for. When you're going to school someone on something so stupid and petty, you might want to spell check.

Really? The eco-movement is indeed a mass-movement. Many studies on them and cults have been done in an attempt to explain why rationale people would ever do anything so irrational. And furthermore, indoctrinate their own children. IOW, the draw of the belief is even stronger than their own desire for their own children's best interests and welfare. The power of belief is that strong. Think about it..

I think a B.Sc. in Electrical Engineering from a major university, known for its engineering dept., qualifies as a rigorous intellectual, applicable, relevant field. You could have easily checked this FIRST by looking at my profile...

I could have easily spent hours posting articles, data, analysis, etc. Others have already done that. Still others have been doing that for decades now. Has it made any difference? Not to the True Believers. They're still wedded to their own emotional cause, regardless of the facts. Because their vision doesn't rely on facts. It's a far higher cause, a belief, than that. At this stage, the AGW mass-movement has moved beyond facts. It's a religion. Very similar to a religious cult. Facts no longer matter. Remember, in the 70's, the overwhelming BELIEF was global cooling. Even TIME said so. Therefore, it must be gospel, right?

If you're truly interested in the behavior of mass-movements, then read Eric Hoffer's excellent book: The True Believer: Thoughts on The Nature of Mass-Movements. He was a longshoreman, in San Francisco, during the 50's & 60's and a very, keen observer of human nature. After that, I'd suggest Thomas Sowell's excellent book The Vision of The Anointed.

That is, unless you're too lazy:
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
I really don't have enough data to draw my own conclusions, mostly due to my own laziness.

"The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read" - Mark Twain

For someone with insufficient data to draw his own conclusions, "mostly due to his own laziness", just what value did you add??

.Zero.


I have two respectable careers and work very hard. I was being facetious and intentionally self-deprecating when I made that comment.

Besides, like I said, I'm an outsider. Your arguments and theirs will not change how they or you feel or perceive the world; if you're not trying to convince guys like me, then what's the point of your ranting? You don't need to convince yourself, do you?
 
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Edit: I meant to say, "...if you're not trying to convince guys like me, then what's the point of your rantings [or any anyone else's]?"
 
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