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Originally Posted By: Mantooth
Newspaper? What's that?

I canceled our subscription years ago. Our local newspaper became so onesided, politically speaking, that I just couldn't stand to read it. Haven't bought one in years.


Same here. Once they lost any objectivity at all, I refused to support their spin.
 
I have my coffee and morning paper every morning, and enjoy both. I also go online and watch a variety of TV news. If you get all your news from only one source, you’re not getting all the news. Fair and balanced.
 
Newspapers are not, and never have been, objective. The whole point of owning a newspaper is to promote the owner's brand of politics. That has always been the case, going back hundreds of years, right back to the invention of the printing press and such things as Luther's Thesis at the dawn of the age of Protestantism versus Catholicism.

How anyone got the idea that any newspaper should be objective is beyond me. It isn't, it never has been, and never will be. Ironically it's something people back before the internet age knew and understood completely. They would filter every story through their own lens based on what they understood the paper's politics were, and in that way were able to understand the news items their local paper contained quite easily. A skill that seems to be lacking today, even though online news sources, especially those without a print edition, are even more political than any of the print locals ever were.

TV news did at one time did try to be objective. That devolved into some [censored] of objectivity called "both sides of the story" which quickly devolved into 30 minutes to the Police Chief and 30 minutes to the rapist; or 30 minutes to the reasonable citizen and 30 minutes to the nut job. Other nut jobs in the audience begin to not their heads appreciatively.

Even that mis-applied version of "objective" began to go away in the 1980's. on TV, although it persists in order to offer the station's non-mainstream position as if it were a legitimate news item and not attempts to create or project a divisive form of discourse.

There then came the same mis-application of "both sides to the story" due to the increased professionalism of the journalist job description, whereby starting in the 1970's students on B.Journ programs began applying the TV model to print. Before that you had journalists who learned their trade because they were stubborn, tough, and would just as likely punch you in the nose as take down your words, or pick up pistol and start firing at the enemy rather than wear a flak vest and follow some unit around under choreographed military watchful eyes. Was the former more or less likely to be "objective"? No, he had a distinct and unwavering position, and that position was "our side is always right. now get outta the way you're in my firing lane".

The unfortunate thing is unlike their parents and grandparents, who knew how to read between the lines and knew the source and it's tendencies, now we have people who would not know the first thing about vetting a source to understand it's bias (and there ALWAYS is a bias) and just take stories on face value, which is a huge error, or, worse, limit themselves to sources that cherry-feed their own politics, creating a lack of discourse, no hope of compromise, and an overall nasty political environment overall.
 
Good or bad papers are a dying breed. Our local paper was almost nothing but ads and old news from other sources. Rarely much local news. Online news will survive.
 
Originally Posted By: ZZman
Good or bad papers are a dying breed. Our local paper was almost nothing but ads and old news from other sources. Rarely much local news. Online news will survive.


Yes, I am sure you are quite right. The problem, of course, is it's relatively easy for a single blogger to earn a living from online ads than it is to support a paper with a staff and a payroll to do the same. So the nature of news will change, and I fear not for the better.

I'll give a recent example. Some may be familiar with the website "Slashdot", or /. as it's commonly abbreviated. 20 or more years online, with the byline "News for nerds, stuff that matters".

A recent topic submission there referred to some "secret information" obtained by one of a news site's journalists about some or other modern political issue. I don't even remember what it was about but you could look it up if you want. The problem?

The news source was a broadcast TV / over the internet / online station called "RT". "RT" is the handle of "Russia Today" which is an English-language news organization financed directly and entirely by the Kremlin. (They never, and I mean never, refer to themselves as "Russia Today", always "RT News").

Dozens if not hundreds of employees. Some of their almost daily "special reports" are about crime and race issues in America, like they were paid by the word on such stories and nothing else. Yet some supposedly sophisticated "nerd" took this at face value."Secret source?" Sad, really.
 
I can't even remember the last time I read a newspaper. I do remember reading about things that happened a day or two before of which I had already read about. The news cycles these days are way too fast for a media like that. You'd have to figure extinction is imminent.
 
For all you guys dumping on newspapers, there are still things I enjoy about them.

1) Letters to the editor
2) The comics
3) Doing the crossword puzzle with a loved one
4) Seeing what things people still pay to put in the classifieds
5) Randomly looking through the obituaries and imagining the lives these people had.

But I guess it's more popular on this board to claim people aren't smart enough anymore for a newspaper or to scream propaganda.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
For all you guys dumping on newspapers, there are still things I enjoy about them.

1) Letters to the editor
2) The comics
3) Doing the crossword puzzle with a loved one
4) Seeing what things people still pay to put in the classifieds
5) Randomly looking through the obituaries and imagining the lives these people had.

But I guess it's more popular on this board to claim people aren't smart enough anymore for a newspaper or to scream propaganda.


Yeah, I still read it. I usually read multiple sources so sometimes you read about the same story twice so you can sometimes get the spin on it. It must be a skill to read a paper for the information in it and to ignore the spin on it. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
The problem I have with the paper here, and I tend to read it only when it's free at a restaurant, is it has such poor local news coverage. Beyond wire service content (which has been around forever), so much is just filler from the national parent company. I can get all the national and international news I want from various reputable web sites. Getting local news isn't as easy.

Now, I do realise that newspapers in general are in huge trouble. As was already pointed out, web ads bring in less revenue than print ads. Look at how much the newspapers have lost in classifieds these days. What do you ever seen in a classified ad any longer, beyond an obituary or a legal notice? The local paper used to clean up here by charging close to $40 for a tiny, 3 day classified ad with no pictures to sell a car. Now, online classified sites allow wordy, searchable ads for free, with as many pictures as someone feels like taking.
 
The only newspaper I use is the free ones loaded with ads and propaganda, and I don't read them, only for oil change. I used to use them as table cloth and I wrap it all up and throw away after every meal, but after marriage my wife won't allow that, she wasn't raised that way.

News are updated every hour now, why wait for a day to read something from yesterday or the day before?
 
My grandfather read a lot of newspapers with various political viewpoints, to keep himself educated on both sides of the coin.

I've mostly kept with that tradition.
 
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The unfortunate thing is unlike their parents and grandparents, who knew how to read between the lines and knew the source and it's tendencies, now we have people who would not know the first thing about vetting a source to understand it's bias (and there ALWAYS is a bias) and just take stories on face value, which is a huge error, or, worse, limit themselves to sources that cherry-feed their own politics, creating a lack of discourse, no hope of compromise, and an overall nasty political environment overall.


the left response to this gonna be like...

"... is also a Russian agent"
 
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
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The unfortunate thing is unlike their parents and grandparents, who knew how to read between the lines and knew the source and it's tendencies, now we have people who would not know the first thing about vetting a source to understand it's bias (and there ALWAYS is a bias) and just take stories on face value, which is a huge error, or, worse, limit themselves to sources that cherry-feed their own politics, creating a lack of discourse, no hope of compromise, and an overall nasty political environment overall.


the left response to this gonna be like...

"... is also a Russian agent"


Well you know Stalin's grave is a Russian plot.
 
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