This is where the extended family comes into play. Our folks watched our kids so we could work. Marina is currently watching the grandson. He is a year old. My SIL is a maritime engineer. He is on the salt keeping a ship going. His folks are just as involved as we are. If schedule permits, I will take lunch with them, I get to feed him, change him, or take him for a walk. It is like riding a bicycle , only better. In my family, this is the 4th generation I've seen pay forward raising the grands. We are glad to be able to do it. Infant daycare should not be a bottom line business. Babies deserve better.
Straight talking on the gender pay gap
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Sorry, but few women are physically able to do this type of task. And fewer still are qualified.
And, for practical reasons, when a woman takes "years off" to have and raise children, how can she expect workplace pay equality? The fact remains, many women do exactly this. Many companies are not large enough to absorb this without impact.
How about I take off for 2 years, then come back to work, then take off another year or two. Then come back to a different company. Can I still get paid what a faithful, and yes, reliable employee commands?
Sorry, but few women are physically able to do this type of task. And fewer still are qualified.
And, for practical reasons, when a woman takes "years off" to have and raise children, how can she expect workplace pay equality? The fact remains, many women do exactly this. Many companies are not large enough to absorb this without impact.
How about I take off for 2 years, then come back to work, then take off another year or two. Then come back to a different company. Can I still get paid what a faithful, and yes, reliable employee commands?
A big reason for the pay gap is because women are not as aggressive as men. Women want everyone to like them and are unwilling to make unpleasant decisions. Men don't care. We'll make lots of people hate us, if that's what's needed.
There are women who are aggressive and don't care what others think of them, and they do indeed get promoted and make as much as men do. Meg Whitman comes to mind
There are women who are aggressive and don't care what others think of them, and they do indeed get promoted and make as much as men do. Meg Whitman comes to mind
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the point of the issue is...do they get less money than a bloke for the same position ?
That's what we are told continuously down here, that they should have equal work for equal money...and they do, when working the same jobs.
As an example, my wife gets paid less than men doing the same things (and less, and less well) at her work.
She's a retired Navy Chief. She's a very detail oriented programmer and computer operator with an eye towards efficiency and improvement. The guys she works with are prima donnas with little, if any, attention to detail, a sense of entitlement, disdain for someone rocking the boat and making them do things different, and they get paid much more. Wife has brought this up and has received nothing but lip service. She eventually got a raise, but not to where the guys were. They probably got raises, too, keeping the spread at the same point.
It happens, to be sure, but overall women have babies and take time off and that is why as a population they get less overall.
So say the studies.
the point of the issue is...do they get less money than a bloke for the same position ?
That's what we are told continuously down here, that they should have equal work for equal money...and they do, when working the same jobs.
As an example, my wife gets paid less than men doing the same things (and less, and less well) at her work.
She's a retired Navy Chief. She's a very detail oriented programmer and computer operator with an eye towards efficiency and improvement. The guys she works with are prima donnas with little, if any, attention to detail, a sense of entitlement, disdain for someone rocking the boat and making them do things different, and they get paid much more. Wife has brought this up and has received nothing but lip service. She eventually got a raise, but not to where the guys were. They probably got raises, too, keeping the spread at the same point.
It happens, to be sure, but overall women have babies and take time off and that is why as a population they get less overall.
So say the studies.
Jack Welch (former GE CEO) once said that there is no work life balance, but work life compromise. As women tend to spend more focus on family and take time off for that, they tend to fall behind men in their careers. It is therefore no surprise that many of the top achieving female politicians and executives are single, or have no children.
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