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Stop the presses! Torn Fram!
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I agree, I missed the brain surgery part, good luck on your recovery. Next time put a Hastings or Casite in for 10K, less money & will look better!
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Im surprised it didnt entirely disentigrate lol.
+1 I haven't seen even a "cheap" Puro built to that disgustingly low standard. Fram ought to quit making the POS and those who use them ought to remember "Engines are CHEAP, filters are EXPENSIVE".
Are you joking, or being serious?
I think we've seen enough expensive Puros built to a disgustingly low standard.
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Im surprised it didnt entirely disentigrate lol.
+1 I haven't seen even a "cheap" Puro built to that disgustingly low standard. Fram ought to quit making the POS and those who use them ought to remember "Engines are CHEAP, filters are EXPENSIVE".
Are you joking, or being serious?
I think we've seen enough expensive Puros built to a disgustingly low standard.
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yeah I think that's a little past the 5k rated capacity.
+1 - OP should have chosen a filter that was rated for the OC.
OP concedes this sage bit of wisdom. In fact, in OP's OP, OP mentions that OP considers this filter to be a 5k-6k filter, and ran it for twice that.
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yeah I think that's a little past the 5k rated capacity.
+1 - OP should have chosen a filter that was rated for the OC.
OP concedes this sage bit of wisdom. In fact, in OP's OP, OP mentions that OP considers this filter to be a 5k-6k filter, and ran it for twice that.
Ok, so when an filter is used for more than twice its recommended life it will look terrible.
But does anyone really believe that the condition of this filter will have any effect on the life of the engine?
But does anyone really believe that the condition of this filter will have any effect on the life of the engine?
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Never use a cheap filter...period.
I wish it were that simple. I think I've only cut one Pure One open in my filter-cutting career, and it had the characteristic tears we've come to know and love. And less than 6,000 miles.
Originally Posted By: Vern_in-IL
OP said: " even the mighty orange can begins to fade"
The Orange can was *never ever* regarded as mighty. It is referred to as the orange can of death.
Apparently my attempt at humor was too subtle.
Originally Posted By: MrSandman
Im surprised it didnt entirely disentigrate lol.
I know, right? I agree with you that this shows the basic Fram to be pretty sturdy.
Never use a cheap filter...period.
I wish it were that simple. I think I've only cut one Pure One open in my filter-cutting career, and it had the characteristic tears we've come to know and love. And less than 6,000 miles.
Originally Posted By: Vern_in-IL
OP said: " even the mighty orange can begins to fade"
The Orange can was *never ever* regarded as mighty. It is referred to as the orange can of death.
Apparently my attempt at humor was too subtle.
Originally Posted By: MrSandman
Im surprised it didnt entirely disentigrate lol.
I know, right? I agree with you that this shows the basic Fram to be pretty sturdy.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I haven't seen even a "cheap" Puro built to that disgustingly low standard. Fram ought to quit making the POS and those who use them ought to remember "Engines are CHEAP, filters are EXPENSIVE".
LoL ... a torn Fram ran for over twice it's use rating vs over 70 reported cases of torn Purolators. Funny stuff.
I haven't seen even a "cheap" Puro built to that disgustingly low standard. Fram ought to quit making the POS and those who use them ought to remember "Engines are CHEAP, filters are EXPENSIVE".
LoL ... a torn Fram ran for over twice it's use rating vs over 70 reported cases of torn Purolators. Funny stuff.
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You should post pictures of the tears. I can't see any in the pics.
A filter shouldn't tear no matter how long used, they have the bypass valve. Can be covered in dirt, should not tear. I haven't used one of these since the 90's when I put one on a brand new rebuilt Ford 302 engine out of the crate, thinking it was probably the best. No excuses, we don't for Purolators. I have no luv for Fram, only buy the Ultras because it is a good deal, top features and construction, and available. Well, except for the glue/whatever on the Ultra baseplate shown in another thread. The extra guard works, except this one, but is one of the cheapest looking filters made, maybe the cheapest.
That filter is a pathetic POS...
This being over run for 7k miles has a lot to do with this obviously. Orange cans can go 8k miles with no problems. But I will say this Fram and the PH 8 are not the ones to go over 5k miles with. The regular ones like the PH 7317, 6607, and 3600 would fare much better than those two filters.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
You definitely ran that way longer than you should have but it looks pretty good considering the mileage. Switch to an Ultra if you're gonna go that long again. Haha
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
Logically, the FRAM didn't fail until past the recommended life. Tears at 10K are more than acceptable. I'd accept it. Then again, I wouldn't go 10K miles on any filter, even an Ultra. Numerous photos of torn Purolators that otherwise still look good suggests that "looking good" isn't an acceptable standard. This Fram did it's job. 1 Purolator/STP running 10K doesn't speak for the entire inventory of them. I'm concerned about the significant percentage that apparently have failed within recommended change intervals. Sure, I'd run either of them for 3K miles, but nothing more.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
Logically, the FRAM didn't fail until past the recommended life. Tears at 10K are more than acceptable. I'd accept it. Then again, I wouldn't go 10K miles on any filter, even an Ultra. Numerous photos of torn Purolators that otherwise still look good suggests that "looking good" isn't an acceptable standard. This Fram did it's job. 1 Purolator/STP running 10K doesn't speak for the entire inventory of them. I'm concerned about the significant percentage that apparently have failed within recommended change intervals. Sure, I'd run either of them for 3K miles, but nothing more.
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yeah I think that's a little past the 5k rated capacity.
+1 - OP should have chosen a filter that was rated for the OC.
Agree with 901....but 2015 PSD, OP mentioned brain surgery so he gets a pass on letting maintenance go long!!! Stelth, welcome back glad you are doing better.
Apologies - I missed that in the original post. Best wishes for a full recovery!
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Yeah I think that's a little past the 5k rated capacity.
+1 - OP should have chosen a filter that was rated for the OC.
Agree with 901....but 2015 PSD, OP mentioned brain surgery so he gets a pass on letting maintenance go long!!! Stelth, welcome back glad you are doing better.
Apologies - I missed that in the original post. Best wishes for a full recovery!
Originally Posted By: Mrsandman
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
What?! How did it fail? Its recommended for 5k mile intervals and was taken to over double that?! Puro's fail under 5k intervals...now thats a failure. If you use per specs on box and it tears within 5k miles..than i will agree its a fail for a fram. I hold no bias.
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
That just goes to show you that even the lower class filters have life well past their rating. A nice plug for the Orange can filters. They last. Now let's subject another brand $3-$4 filter to a 10K run and see how it looks.
Uhm, actually this filter failed. Unless ofcourse tears somehow are acceptable only for fram.
Go look at the current post/thread of a puro made stp filter that was ran over 10k. It didnt fail but looked pretty darn good
What?! How did it fail? Its recommended for 5k mile intervals and was taken to over double that?! Puro's fail under 5k intervals...now thats a failure. If you use per specs on box and it tears within 5k miles..than i will agree its a fail for a fram. I hold no bias.
after that amount of mileage on an ocod what did you expect. Although they seemed to improve slightly the ocod would never be put on anything i own or service. When you cut them opened new they look cheesy if you really want to use a fram let it be the ultra. Cut them opened and you will agree or look at you tube there are lots of frams on you tube. Wix makes great filters throughout their whole line but sometimes they are harder to find.
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