x-GMBoy?I gotta change my screen name too!
x-GMBoy?I gotta change my screen name too!
There is a way to deal with debt: one does not cut taxes at every opportunity and keep spending same amount.No, based on the current GDP we could not repay the entire debt today but thankfully we don't have to because that's not how it works. We only need to pay the debt service, which we can do, and while the $30T will be repaid in some form or another over the coming years, it will be repaid at the percentage of a growing and larger GDP.
This is literally from Economics 101, which I just finished, and this is what we talked about. Again, not defending overspending but the national debt does not work like personal and business debt.
LOL that sounds good! I actually am going to change it soon. I have to see how that worksx-GMBoy?
Adam Smith was wrong. "If we all go for the blonde, none of us will get lucky".Every time I hear this, I expect an explanation of what exactly Adam Smith meant when he wrote the Wealth of Nations and the role of government in capitalism. So, here is your chance.
......................... and while the $30T will be repaid in some form or another over the coming years,.............
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I think it's time for you to get some fresh air. You're living in La La Land.
Yup, I've never understood why people take long-dead visionaries and elevated them to omniscient demi-God status. As if the founding fathers and other thinkers like Adam Smith could have possibly imagined the world as it is today. They saw the world as it was then and tried their best to think through how their ideas would affect the future but it was an educated guess at best. The Constitution has been changed 27 times because the founding fathers couldn't possibly get it all right or anticipate the future and the same goes for all of the visionaries on which we base our current laws/economy/system of government.Adam Smith was wrong. "If we all go for the blonde, none of us will get lucky".
Superseded by the Nash equilibrium and prisoner's dilemma.
Game theory 101.
Of course. But just throwing it as most people who cherish "good ole" days like to talk capitalism, self-making etc. might also read some stuff from those days.Yup, I've never understood why people take long-dead visionaries and elevated them to omniscient demi-God status. As if the founding fathers and other thinkers like Adam Smith could have possibly imagined the world as it is today. They saw the world as it was then and tried their best to think through how their ideas would affect the future but it was an educated guess at best. The Constitution has been changed 27 times because the founding fathers couldn't possibly get it all right or anticipate the future and the same goes for all of the visionaries on which we base our current laws/economy/system of government.
IMO they never envisioned the degree of mobility of capital. For example the law of comparative advantage no longer holds true if capital is mobile. However, mercantilism is still practiced today like in the past and shunned by todays "free market" economists. People still look to grift off the taxpayer in some capacity. Proponents just dress it up differently with a new name.Yup, I've never understood why people take long-dead visionaries and elevated them to omniscient demi-God status. As if the founding fathers and other thinkers like Adam Smith could have possibly imagined the world as it is today. They saw the world as it was then and tried their best to think through how their ideas would affect the future but it was an educated guess at best. The Constitution has been changed 27 times because the founding fathers couldn't possibly get it all right or anticipate the future and the same goes for all of the visionaries on which we base our current laws/economy/system of government.
And it shows!.
I absolutely agree, we live in 2023, and it is not your father's economy, let alone founding fathers one.
I'm sorry but you should get your money back on your tuition. They pumped your head full of nonsense.... Not common sense.This is literally from Economics 101, which I just finished, and this is what we talked about.
I have read the old stuff. I also paid union dues for over 40 years, so I saw the games being played by both sides.Of course. But just throwing it as most people who cherish "good ole" days like to talk capitalism, self-making etc. might also read some stuff from those days.
I absolutely agree, we live in 2023, and it is not your father's economy, let alone founding fathers one.
I'll let the faculty at the UMass Amherst Isenberg School of Management know billt460 from BITOG disagrees with their assessment of the national debt and that their PhDs, MBAs, and decades of research and writing about the topic are all meaningless and can be replaced with "common sense."I'm sorry but you should get your money back on your tuition. They pumped your head full of nonsense.... Not common sense.
Let me guess.... You live in Boston. Isn't that in the State of Denial?I'll let the faculty at the UMass Amherst Isenberg School of Management know bilt460 from BITOG disagrees with their assessment of the national debt.
In MA but not Boston.Let me guess.... You live in Boston. Isn't that in the State of Denial?
It's not just the growing of the debt, can we keep refinancing it at advantageous rates.Well...call it what you want...it's a mathematical fact...it's all about rates of change. The only question is can we grow the debt at a slower rate than we do GDP? For that, we will all have to wait and see how this plays out...
Some form of monetize the debt. The problem is government "trust funds" such as Social Security hold a fair bit of that debt. What would monetizing the debt do to such "trust funds?"Debt isn't debt. Govt debt is sovereign debt payable in currency of that sovereign. Countries in the past which went into BK did so because they were on some version of a gold standard which doesn't exist today. The USG could pay off total outstanding debts tomorrow if it wanted to and then tax much of that money out of the system
Bastiat and the Austrian School of Economics FTW! (Yes, I know he was French. He just didn't know his ideas would be the precursor to the Austrian School of Economic Theory.)IMO they never envisioned the degree of mobility of capital. For example the law of comparative advantage no longer holds true if capital is mobile. However, mercantilism is still practiced today like in the past and shunned by todays "free market" economists. People still look to grift off the taxpayer in some capacity. Proponents just dress it up differently with a new name.
As for the Constitution and the visionary of the founding fathers IMO they were in some ways well aware of its shortcomings which is why it contains a process for adding amendments. Their one failing was underestimating the influence of basic human nature. Humans are hardwired to gain the advantage over each other with the least amount of effort/pain so the document reflects a series of compromises which resulted in its legally questionable ratification.
My favorite demi-god is Frederic Bastiat
Edit: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
Definitely something to keep in mind and the cost of servicing US debt has definitely gone up as interest rates increased. I don't think anyone is saying we don't have a spending problem, I'm certainly not and I think we certainly do, I'm just illuminating the differences between how personal/business debt is serviced vs national debt. If we keep on our current trajectory we're in trouble and my real point is we aren't at the hopeless prognosis point, yet, and we can still turn this around. Whether we do or don't we'll all have to wait and see.It's not just the growing of the debt, can we keep refinancing it at advantageous rates.
Part of the growth was the very low interest rates.
What Congress and Presidents forgot was those low rates are not guaranteed. They can rise.
When and how much of the current debt will be refinanced at higher rates given none of it is ever paid off, only carried forward, along with what is added?