Stabil at Walmart is almost $5 for a small bottle. Does anyone know what is in it to make it so pricey???
Stabil. whats in it???
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Red dye #5...5.00 isnt bad considering how long it lasts.
Don't know, but I understand that Schaeffer's Neutra 131 also will stabilize fuel.
As will FP Plus and FP60.
MMO has a some stabilization properties as per Rich Kelly (their technical director), but not as much as Stabil
MMO has a some stabilization properties as per Rich Kelly (their technical director), but not as much as Stabil
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As does SeaFoam.
How does 2-cycle oil rate for fuel stabilization? I use 1 oz per 4 gallons continuously to lube top end, fuel pump, and injectors.
Stuff that seperates your hard earned $$$ for something not needed.
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Stuff that seperates your hard earned $$$ for something not needed.
How exactly is it not needed?
Stuff that seperates your hard earned $$$ for something not needed.
How exactly is it not needed?
So far I think I can safely say Stabil has red dye and alcohol in it.There must be some petroleum distillate also.
Any fuel stabilizer should prevent formation of gummy deposits and should keep the fuel fresh for combustion. I once started a motorcycle that had the fuel setting in the tank for a year, fired right up, but likely had some deposits in the fuel system that eventually could cause impaired fuel delivery.
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Originally Posted By: Steve S
Stuff that seperates your hard earned $$$ for something not needed.
How exactly is it not needed?
How is it needed? I have as previously mentioned I never have had any problem with gas in stored vehicles. Why is it exactly needed? Yesterday I used my leaf blower that has been waiting to be used since last fall .It started after 3 pulls and I ran through 2 full tanks of stored gas .No problems and I have doing that for the 6 years I have owned the blower. What exactly would I have gotten for the money spent on the stabil?
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Stuff that seperates your hard earned $$$ for something not needed.
How exactly is it not needed?
How is it needed? I have as previously mentioned I never have had any problem with gas in stored vehicles. Why is it exactly needed? Yesterday I used my leaf blower that has been waiting to be used since last fall .It started after 3 pulls and I ran through 2 full tanks of stored gas .No problems and I have doing that for the 6 years I have owned the blower. What exactly would I have gotten for the money spent on the stabil?
If you've ever stored a car for more than a year and you go to fire it up, then end up having to clean the varnish out of your gas tank, then you'll think twice about Stabil being a waste of money.
If I'm only storing a car seasonally, 1 pint of MMO per ten gallons is a good short term fuel stabilizer. If it's an indefinite time frame then it gets the Stabil. I've never used Seafoam for this application but I'm sure it wouldn't be too far off from the MMO.
If I'm only storing a car seasonally, 1 pint of MMO per ten gallons is a good short term fuel stabilizer. If it's an indefinite time frame then it gets the Stabil. I've never used Seafoam for this application but I'm sure it wouldn't be too far off from the MMO.
kingrob nailed it! I use Stabil along with MMO and haven't had any issues. MMO coats the combustion chamber internals so nothing sticks or rusts up, Stabil helps keep the gas fresh. Cheap insurance for longer term storage where draining the gas isn't practical.
JMO,
Frank d
JMO,
Frank d
I started using Stabil to store my 4 stroke mowers and blowers off season. Since I started doing this, I havent had to tear down a carb at the beginning of the season. Judging from performance only, 2 stroke mix oil has a stabilizer in it. I havent had to tear down a 2 stroke carb in ages.
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So far I think I can safely say Stabil has red dye and alcohol in it.There must be some petroleum distillate also.
Do you feel safe enough to place a wager on your alcohol assumption?
The easy way to get a glimpse of a product's contents is to check out it's MSDS. Some petroleum distillates? The MSDS's of Stabil, Sea Foam, and Star Tron indicate each is made up of over 95% Naptha. MMO shows 70-80% Naptha and 20-30% mineral spirits. I don't see any mention of alcohol, although I suppose it could be part of the remaining few % of proprietary ingredients in all these products.
The Amsoil AST MSDS only indicates petroleum distillates and Pri G is based on some Shell additive package....not enough info to decipher the true contents. The same with Fuel Power.
The consensus on the marine/boating forums is to avoid alcohol fuel additives with E-10 fuels.
The real price break with Stabil comes in the 32 oz. size, which I see for $10 to $12 at a lot of places.
Edit: Looking at the Pri G Shellsol D60 additive (CAS64742-88-7), this too is naptha, but only 35-45%.
So far I think I can safely say Stabil has red dye and alcohol in it.There must be some petroleum distillate also.
Do you feel safe enough to place a wager on your alcohol assumption?
The easy way to get a glimpse of a product's contents is to check out it's MSDS. Some petroleum distillates? The MSDS's of Stabil, Sea Foam, and Star Tron indicate each is made up of over 95% Naptha. MMO shows 70-80% Naptha and 20-30% mineral spirits. I don't see any mention of alcohol, although I suppose it could be part of the remaining few % of proprietary ingredients in all these products.
The Amsoil AST MSDS only indicates petroleum distillates and Pri G is based on some Shell additive package....not enough info to decipher the true contents. The same with Fuel Power.
The consensus on the marine/boating forums is to avoid alcohol fuel additives with E-10 fuels.
The real price break with Stabil comes in the 32 oz. size, which I see for $10 to $12 at a lot of places.
Edit: Looking at the Pri G Shellsol D60 additive (CAS64742-88-7), this too is naptha, but only 35-45%.
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One of the components are antioxidants or oxidation inhibitors (Protective Additive): aromatic amines such as organic tolutriazoles, thiadiazoles, diphenylamines and the like.
Thank you Molakule. So, basically, you are telling me that all my harping about naptha, etc.. should be down played because it is the proprietary ingredients in the smaller percentage that are doing all the stabilizing work. The anti-oxidants, etc. that are found in all these products.
The Pri G product advertises close to 50% amines and organic additives. Likewise, it seems to treat the largest amount of fuel, in terms of dilution rates (maybe just a super concentrated form of the others?). But, Pri G's claims to restore 5 year old stale gasoline and reduce phase separation seem to contradict the "net library of info" (for what it's worth).
Sure would be fun to know if all these things are basically the same, with different marketing spin applied. Except, maybe Fuel Power, which seems to have the fuel stabilizing anti-oxidants in addition to other goodies.
The Pri G product advertises close to 50% amines and organic additives. Likewise, it seems to treat the largest amount of fuel, in terms of dilution rates (maybe just a super concentrated form of the others?). But, Pri G's claims to restore 5 year old stale gasoline and reduce phase separation seem to contradict the "net library of info" (for what it's worth).
Sure would be fun to know if all these things are basically the same, with different marketing spin applied. Except, maybe Fuel Power, which seems to have the fuel stabilizing anti-oxidants in addition to other goodies.
It seems that many people here really like the Stabil product, but I've also read elsewhere (other hobby related forums) that are plenty of people whodon't like it and believe that (over time) it can actually end up making fuel worse ...
Still not really sure what to think about the stuff or who to believe about it.
Still not really sure what to think about the stuff or who to believe about it.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
kingrob nailed it!
I use Stabil along with MMO and haven't had any issues. MMO coats the combustion chamber internals so nothing sticks or rusts up, Stabil helps keep the gas fresh. Cheap insurance for longer term storage where draining the gas isn't practical.
JMO,
Frank d
Curious to know, what sort of ratios are you using (ounces per gallon) of each product when you are using them in combination ?
kingrob nailed it!
I use Stabil along with MMO and haven't had any issues. MMO coats the combustion chamber internals so nothing sticks or rusts up, Stabil helps keep the gas fresh. Cheap insurance for longer term storage where draining the gas isn't practical.
JMO,
Frank d
Curious to know, what sort of ratios are you using (ounces per gallon) of each product when you are using them in combination ?
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