So... is there any bad oils??

[Pablo]

rut roh

 

[Ray H]

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Originally posted by Rodbuckler:
Chevron can make the best conventional oil of all time, but this consumer grade Group I garbage oil wasn't it. Buy wisely!

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I don't know where you're getting the blatant misinformation you're maliciously spewing across the Clark Belt's circumference, but it's definitely not from BITOG, the API, or Chevron Oil Co. Chevron Supreme has been strictly Group II or above since 1996 - or did you miss the "ISOSYN" labeling on the bottles?

 

[Bill in Utah]

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Originally posted by Pablo:
rut roh

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Hi Pabs!

You knew I was going to jump in here...

Take care, Bill

 

[Rodbuckler]

Didn't you all read the info 427Z06 posted in the other threads? Thanks for enlightening me as to the root of my coked ring problem with the Chevron oil 427Z06.

His quote:
Q&A...Meeting GF-4 Group I vs. Group II:

http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/BaseOils/gf4_faq.shtml

"Group I+: Still high sulfur and low saturates, but processing conditions have been adjusted to make higher VI. This higher VI, in the range of 100-105, gives better cold cranking and Noack performance, enabling these base oils to be used in 10W-30 engine oils with minimal Group III or Group II+ correction fluids."

"Group II+: Adjusting processing conditions, several refineries can make these oils with 110-120 VI. This enables significantly improved CCS and volatility, making it possible to blend 5W-20 and 5W-30 GF-3 and GF-4 engine oils using these oils without any correction fluids."

Now look up the product data sheets here:
http://www.chevrondelo.com/
Search for Supreme

10W-30 sheet is CPS220155 and others.
It does not mention ISOSYN anywhere. Don't use this oil when the 5W-30 is probably sitting there next to it on the shelf for the same price.

5W-20 and 5W-30 sheet is CPS220002 and others.
It specifically mentions ISOSYN as the basestock, as is also used in the excellent Delo 400 10W-30 and 15W-40 oils.

Does someone have an old or new bottle of Chevron Supreme 10W-30 that says ISOSYN?

[ July 27, 2006, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Rodbuckler ]

 

[Rob Taggs]

I've had all types of vehicles and the only make that ate oil were Fords. All others never ate oil between oil changes. Same goes for the diesel pickups at work. We have the Powerstrokes, Cummins, and DuraMax diesels. The only one that is a consumer of oil are the Powerstrokes.

I'm not a Ford hater but, something is up when you use the exact same oil on different makes and in the end only one gulps oil like it is going out of style.

 

[like a rock]

The way people drive on 95 would be enough coke any oil, even redline.

 

[MarkC]

Before I went to Havoline, I used Chevron 10W30 and yes, the bottles said ISOSYN.
A Chevron tech told me that this oil was Group II +.
By the way, The correct word for this topic heading is "are", not "is".

 

[HardbodyLoyalist]

It seems like piling on at this point, but:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001851#000001

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001726#000000

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=001764#000000

And that's just Chevron Supreme in Ford engines.

Not too many signs of ring wear.

 

[Hirev]

All the bottles of Chevron 10w 30 from GF-3 on say ISO syn including 10w 30. Using Group II+ base oils even in 10w 30 is cheaper for Chevron than Group I.

From Chevron "If you currently use Group I base oils, you can save as much as 10 cents per gallon when you blend API SL or CH-4 Engine Oils by switching to ChevronTexaco Group II base oils. Moreover, changing now to our modern, hydroprocessed base oils will enable you to move smoothly into the next generation of automotive lubricants."

"Compared to Group I base oils, Chevron Group II base oils significantly reduce additive requirements, due to higher purity and oxidation stability. Chevron Group II base oils provide higher VI, lower CCS viscosity, and lower volatility"

But all of this is a mood point because even in the 60s and 70s with Group I base oils and leaded gas there was lots of motors that made it 140+K miles without the rings sticking. How do you explain this?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Amen Hirev!

As soon as he mentioned Chevron being Group-I, I knew he was easily misled or lied to.

Just curious thou as to what synthetic brand cured his problem with that notorious smoker 4.6

I know of a ton of cab drivers that need this synthetic A.S.A.P

 

[Blue_Goose]

Not to mention that I think Bill from Utah has a Jetta that has seen nothing but Havoline(as was lumped in with Chevron)and is still running as good as new approaching 300k? I would guess this qualifies as long term

Goose

 

[Bill in Utah]

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Originally posted by Rodbuckler:
Chevron 10W-30 is a bad oil. It coked, varnished, and caused bore and/or ring damage with irreversible oil consumption in my 4.6L Ford. I'm not sure why the previous owners used this unspecified oil.

Use oils that have to pass the rigorous wear and life tests for currently produced autos or trucks. Buy the best oil you can afford, OCI considered of course. Cheap oils and "consumer grade" oils are no bargain.

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Then we say ;

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This engine runs like a dream come true. But it took 20K miles of synthetic to clean up the rings and bring the oil consumption down after the Chevron 10W-30 garbage oil. Chevron can make the best conventional oil of all time, but this consumer grade Group I garbage oil wasn't it. Buy wisely!

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So your engine has "irreversible oil consumption" and "bore and/or ring damage" and you running Syn for 20k fixed it all ?

Please tell us what brand of magic juice your using that can fix those problems.

We all would love to know!

Chevron is an excellent oil and did nothing to your engine.

Take care, Bill

 

[bruce381]

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Originally posted by Hirev:

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Originally posted by Rodbuckler:
Chevron 10W-30 is a bad oil. It coked, varnished, and caused bore and/or ring damage with irreversible oil consumption in my 4.6L Ford.

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No way! This engine runs like a dream come true.

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I talked with the previous owners at length. This was an I-95 commuter car that was very well maintained. It looks, runs, and drives like new. All fluids were fresh when I bought it. When they hit 1qt/500miles oil consumption I think they decided to sell it. I have put 33K miles on it and it runs best ever.

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Ghetto fabulous, Let see if I got this straight.... Chevron "caused bore and/or ring damage with irreversible oil consumption". Now without ever taking the motor apart how do you know Chevron the damage bores and rings? How did those damaged bores and rings fix themselves? Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?

You had an lengthy conversation with the seller and he told you it was "VERY well maintained". You make the seller sound real honest. cause only a fool would knowingly buy a vehicle that burns a qt in 500 miles. You don't suppose the seller creditability was shot when he left the part out about it burns a qt in 500 miles do ya?

Sounds to me like your tripping over your own words playing anti Chevron keyboard commando wrench.

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100% right and pointed out the OBVIOUS
Chevron had no hand in this previous owners did duh.

bruce

 

[The Critic]

Anything non-detergent...otherwise, I do not know of any "bad" API SM oil if changed @ OEM drain intervals.

 

[michaelc80]

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Originally posted by Rodbuckler:

No way! This engine runs like a dream come true. But it took 20K miles of synthetic to clean up the rings and bring the oil consumption down after the Chevron 10W-30 garbage oil. Chevron can make the best conventional oil of all time, but this consumer grade Group I garbage oil wasn't it. Buy wisely!

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I thought your initial post said that the oil consumption was "irreversible"? If so, how is it that running a different brand of oil "reversed" it?

I suspect that there was probably some coking and build up, but leaving the previous oil in too long is the most likely culprit, not the specific brand.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Rodbuckler:
Now look up the product data sheets here:
http://www.chevrondelo.com/
Search for Supreme

10W-30 sheet is CPS220155 and others.
It does not mention ISOSYN anywhere. Don't use this oil when the 5W-30 is probably sitting there next to it on the shelf for the same price.

5W-20 and 5W-30 sheet is CPS220002 and others.
It specifically mentions ISOSYN as the basestock, as is also used in the excellent Delo 400 10W-30 and 15W-40 oils.

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It is interesting that the 10w30 datasheet doesn't list ISOSYN like the others.

However, as I did warn in the thread mentioned above, "This is for the SM/GF-4 Valvoline All-Climate dino. All bets are off on other brands/grades as far as composition and performance."

On the otherhand, even if Chevron does use ISOSYN in it's GF-4 10w30, it doesn't mean that they aren't using some Grp I/I+ in it, unlike the 5w-20/30 grades where it's not feasible to do so.

I'll let you guys battle out this one.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Ok, here shows 10w-30 having the ISOSYN like the 5w-30 Chevron...



And just in case the first photo does not have enough detail here is a close up!

So we can put that question to sleep...

(if some one wants a photo of the bottle I can provide...)

Still waiting on what type (brand) of Syn oil that fixed your engine which had "irreversible oil consumption" and "bore and/or ring damage" in 20k miles?

Bill

 

[windnsea00]

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Originally posted by Bill in Utah:

And just in case the first photo does not have enough detail here is a close up!

So we can put that question to sleep...

(if some one wants a photo of the bottle I can provide...)

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I don't know, I think those pictures were photoshopped.

 

[427Z06]

Thanks for sharing Bill. But that still doesn't prove what percentage of Chevron Supreme 10w30 is made with ISOSYN. Could be 51% ISOSYN and 49% Grp I/I+. Given that some producers use 10% Grp III in there blends and have no qualms about calling them synthetic blends, it's not a far stretch by any imagination.

 

[Bill in Utah]

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Originally posted by 427Z06:
Thanks for sharing Bill. But that still doesn't prove what percentage of Chevron Supreme 10w30 is made with ISOSYN. Could be 51% ISOSYN and 49% Grp I/I+. Given that some producers use 10% Grp III in there blends and have no qualms about calling them synthetic blends, it's not a far stretch by any imagination.

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Hi,

Does it really matter?

First of all, his ford running Chevron no matter what % group 1 2 3 4 5 did not "cause bore and/or ring damage with irreversible oil consumption".

Maybe NOT changing it when the previous owner should of.

Then making the statement that now everything is fine because he ran some other oil (still waiting to find out the magic oil) for 20k and Chevron is not good.

Then making the statement that 10-30 does not have/use ISOSYN (which we now can see it does).

We need to remember that there are many people looking at BITOG for actual info. They may only read this board once and see that statement and pass on what is a good product for their engine.

Just like another thread, we really get way to wound up that an oil have xxx of moly or xx% of group X in it.

The orginal question was are there any bad oils ?

I say with todays SL/SM oil, if you change it out per the manual your going to be fine.

If the manual STATES to use Syn, you should be doing that.

But, there are millions of cars getting under a quart oil (which Chevron is! All of the Chevron in the photo above (6 cases) cost around $35! thats .49 cents a quart) and lasting hundreds of thousands of miles!

Here is a UOA for 4k miles on a GM motor.(which we hear many times that GM can not make a motor that will last.. Another incorrect statement

) No additives just 49 cent chevron.

I'm happy with this and just want others who come to this board for honest info to get it.

Statement made that Chevron is not good. You and I know it is not.

Thats all I'm here to say!

Take care! Bill