so do 8 speed transmissions...
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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Will the traction control allow such behavior?
Likely depends on the car.
Will the traction control allow such behavior?
Likely depends on the car.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
and that's precisely what I'm trying to tell you guys.
In a particular drivetrain that I have extensive track experience with the car will not shift (up or down) if there is sufficient g load. Barrel up to a curve and as you brake the car will downshift aggressively during braking!
The car responds to aggressive driving and loads a performance program automatically.
Ya'll should get out more.
I was watching your buddies video of ripping around Calabogie and it was holding a gear around the corner, but it seemed like it was often downshifting on some exits or wasn't holding a high enough gear for absolute flat out driving?
It was plenty fast for sure, but with a less torquey engine, I think the conservative downshifting would get annoying.
I guess now though, if a car was setup with the right sensors and a driver could adjust the settings on the transmission controller, it could get pretty close to ideal shifting for 9/10ths driving.
Getting 100% out the car probably would still have spots on a track where a good driver still knows better than the simple algorithm. Maybe they'd want to hold a gear to touching the rev limiter or upshift early to control the power on a downhill rough sweeper?
I don't have too many hours of track time in a car but I spent a few summers trying to chase down faster bikes on an MX track, and you know when your racing your buddy, you'll try almost any trick you can think off to make up 3' into the next corner, and then a foot into the next, and eventually show him your front wheel...
I guess with cars, they don't reward too much over the edge driving, but the odd time it must be useful.
and that's precisely what I'm trying to tell you guys.
In a particular drivetrain that I have extensive track experience with the car will not shift (up or down) if there is sufficient g load. Barrel up to a curve and as you brake the car will downshift aggressively during braking!
The car responds to aggressive driving and loads a performance program automatically.
Ya'll should get out more.
I was watching your buddies video of ripping around Calabogie and it was holding a gear around the corner, but it seemed like it was often downshifting on some exits or wasn't holding a high enough gear for absolute flat out driving?
It was plenty fast for sure, but with a less torquey engine, I think the conservative downshifting would get annoying.
I guess now though, if a car was setup with the right sensors and a driver could adjust the settings on the transmission controller, it could get pretty close to ideal shifting for 9/10ths driving.
Getting 100% out the car probably would still have spots on a track where a good driver still knows better than the simple algorithm. Maybe they'd want to hold a gear to touching the rev limiter or upshift early to control the power on a downhill rough sweeper?
I don't have too many hours of track time in a car but I spent a few summers trying to chase down faster bikes on an MX track, and you know when your racing your buddy, you'll try almost any trick you can think off to make up 3' into the next corner, and then a foot into the next, and eventually show him your front wheel...
I guess with cars, they don't reward too much over the edge driving, but the odd time it must be useful.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
THAT! Wow, you are the only person who really gets it.
They do exactly that. The cool part is the way they will hold the gear in the corner no matter what the throttle does!
I'm surprised you are the only one here who knew about these!
(sarcasm noted)
I must say that's pretty amazing. So as I'm calmly approaching a corner that I'm not going to bother braking for (usually left turns or entrances and exits), how does it even know to downshift right before I start turning? Do I have to train it by using paddle shifters or something first, or does it just analyze my memories? Who makes these clairvoyant automatics, anyway?
THAT! Wow, you are the only person who really gets it.
They do exactly that. The cool part is the way they will hold the gear in the corner no matter what the throttle does!
I'm surprised you are the only one here who knew about these!
(sarcasm noted)
I must say that's pretty amazing. So as I'm calmly approaching a corner that I'm not going to bother braking for (usually left turns or entrances and exits), how does it even know to downshift right before I start turning? Do I have to train it by using paddle shifters or something first, or does it just analyze my memories? Who makes these clairvoyant automatics, anyway?
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Originally Posted By: Nick R
Hmmm. You go into the corner, put your foot down, it downshifts and accelerates. What am I missing here?
But that's exactly what you don't want to happen. The act of shifting in the corner throws the car out of balance, and if you're driving at the limit, it may result in a disaster.
That's what the manual gate is for. Keeps it from upshifting when you lift off or kicking down multiple gears when you get back on the throttle.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Hmmm. You go into the corner, put your foot down, it downshifts and accelerates. What am I missing here?
But that's exactly what you don't want to happen. The act of shifting in the corner throws the car out of balance, and if you're driving at the limit, it may result in a disaster.
That's what the manual gate is for. Keeps it from upshifting when you lift off or kicking down multiple gears when you get back on the throttle.
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