So Amsoil OE and XL is only 100% synthetic here? Dam Castrol :)

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Why? Because in Germany Group III can't be labeled 100% Synthetic.
 

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Am I missing something here? If that were the case, could they print 100% synthetic on the signature series bottle? As for the other two lines, i thought it was pretty well known that they used group III base stocks. Either way, this seems like a weird thread to start.
 
Am I missing something here? If that were the case, could they print 100% synthetic on the signature series bottle? As for the other two lines, i thought it was pretty well known that they used group III base stocks. Either way, this seems like a weird thread to start.
My point was to those not knowing GRP III can be called 100% here and Sig Series not meeting German 100% synthetic criteria.
 
My point was to those not knowing GRP III can be called 100% here and Sig Series not meeting German 100% synthetic criteria.
Nothing you posted though supports this. On the picture you attached, the signature series bottle has “100% synthetic” written on it. I haven’t gone to any German Amsoil website to cross reference anything, but I’m not sure what you posted supports the claim you made. Either way, I’m not really sure what this has to do with anything. This topic has been beaten to death over the years and I’m not sure it really needed to be dragged out and put through another round.
 
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I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that it does NOT say 100% synthetic for signature series? Because I clearly see 100% on that label.
 
I have heard that in other world markets, Group III motor oil cannot be called full synthetic the way it is here in the U.S./North America. IDK if this is true.
 
I think the bottle should read “Only kinda synthetic :)”. Maybe that’ll clear things up.

edit: the title change made to this thread is hilarious. Good work, mods.
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I have heard that in other world markets, Group III motor oil cannot be called full synthetic the way it is here in the U.S./North America. IDK if this is true.
No, that's another half truth that gets repeated a lot. The only country that has a rule is Germany where "vollsynthetisch" is "full synthetic" or "fully synthetic" and represents oils that have a Group IV or V base stock. The remainder are "synthesetechnologie" or synthetic technology oils. But this only applies to Germany and the entire remainder of the world has no such rule. Many times here on Bitog you will read people posting about a "lawsuit" that changed the meaning in the US, but there was no lawsuit only a challenge to the NAD over labeling. What makes it somewhat funny is that if it ever did progress to a court hearing Mobil knew they would lose because they (and Castrol) had been selling Group III based oils as "synthetic" in many other world markets. So in reality the US was somewhat late to the game in the labeling change.

Just an opinion but I think the German rule will eventually come back to bite them as technology improves. When you weld the doors shut you keep out what is outside but you also keep the rest inside. The rule may be well meaning and even have merit in the past but there's no assurance it will continue to be that way. But that's just my opinion. I'm not one to dote on base stock composition.
 
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I have expressed anger and outrage on these pages at the lubricant industry for lying about their products in their
advertising and fooling people and "selling them a gold PLATED watch as a solid gold watch" in my oft spouted and well considered analogy.
But now I see ignoramuses deserve to be fooled. We are, in many aspect of our life, fooled by big industry. We are not people, we are consumers of their products and need to be kept in the dark. No questions allowed. Undue questioning can cause trouble and loss of profits.
With Synthetic oil you are buying a "Premium lubricant" but at a price well below what the price would be if it was truly
a majority "textbook" synthetic. Try to purchase a litre of German full synthetic, mit Prädikat, for much less than 10 dollars US. I don't think that animal exists. But you can walk into a discount store most any day of the week and buy a big jug of Mobil 1 0W40 or Castrol 5W40 or Valvoline Advanced 5W30 ILSAC for under 26 dollars. That is significant for some. Yes it may not perform as well in some aspects as the true majority synthetic can but it may be adequate for most. I'm sure you have been settling for less for some time.

So the industry is indeed selling you a gold plated watch, but they are selling it at gold plated watch prices.
Not the most terrible transgression - that it could be.

- Ken
 
I have expressed anger and outrage on these pages at the lubricant industry for lying about their products in their
advertising and fooling people and "selling them a gold PLATED watch as a solid gold watch" in my oft spouted and well considered analogy.
But now I see ignoramuses deserve to be fooled. We are, in many aspect of our life, fooled by big industry. We are not people, we are consumers of their products and need to be kept in the dark. No questions allowed. Undue questioning can cause trouble and loss of profits.
With Synthetic oil you are buying a "Premium lubricant" but at a price well below what the price would be if it was truly
a majority "textbook" synthetic. Try to purchase a litre of German full synthetic, mit Prädikat, for much less than 10 dollars US. I don't think that animal exists. But you can walk into a discount store most any day of the week and buy a big jug of Mobil 1 0W40 or Castrol 5W40 or Valvoline Advanced 5W30 ILSAC for under 26 dollars. That is significant for some. Yes it may not perform as well in some aspects as the true majority synthetic can but it may be adequate for most. I'm sure you have been settling for less for some time.

So the industry is indeed selling you a gold plated watch, but they are selling it at gold plated watch prices.
Not the most terrible transgression - that it could be.

- Ken

I don't know, all I know is that when I buy an oil with Mercedes-Benz 229.5 approval, or one with Porsche A40 or one with VW 504 00 I'm getting an oil that has proven real-world performance documented by some very stringent qualification tests. But if someone has a real desire to focus on base stock composition I also know there are products out there that also focus on this aspect, but many of those have no approvals or licenses to document the oil's actual performance. You go by the blender or formulator's reputation.

I have a hard time criticizing any oil that carries actual approvals which represent actual proven performance. I'm getting my gold watch as far as I'm concerned. Besides it's not the gold on the outside that matters. It's the guts inside.
 
I don't know, all I know is that when I buy an oil with Mercedes-Benz 229.5 approval, or one with Porsche A40 or one with VW 504 00 I'm getting an oil that has proven real-world performance documented by some very stringent qualification tests. But if someone has a real desire to focus on base stock composition I also know there are products out there that also focus on this aspect, but many of those have no approvals or licenses to document the oil's actual performance. You go by the blender or formulator's reputation.

I have a hard time criticizing any oil that carries actual approvals which represent actual proven performance. I'm getting my gold watch as far as I'm concerned. Besides it's not the gold on the outside that matters. It's the guts inside.
And if I am correct Amsoil has oils that have said certifications. Not all of their oils they recommend are certified but I believe EFL, AFM and AEL have certs at least for the ones that you mentioned above. Whether these are considered 100% synthetic in Germany is a different story but they do have the official certs for use in those applications.
 
I'm getting my gold watch as far as I'm concerned. Besides it's not the gold on the outside that matters. It's the guts inside.
If You buy a watch primarily to tell time with accuracy, Gold plated or Gold or Surgical Stainless will do the job.
 
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I will tell you the real synthetic M1 Racing 4T was an outstanding oil. Likely Mobil's best oil ever.
The Non PAO version that came later was horrid. Used them both. The difference was telling.

Lately the Oil Co's are turning out some good consumer grade product. Likely pushed to a higher performance by the auto industry seeking higher performance. Witness all the iterations in the past couple decades: ILSAC GF-3, 4, 5, and 6.

If I can grab a satisfactory product off the shelf for a reasonable price, I am a Happy Camper**
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** I would require a nearby outhouse to be a truly happy camper
 
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